James Toney best performance

Interesting.

I think Toney deserved to win both, but the first was close enough to make a draw acceptable.

The second, I thought was a clear decision win for Toney.

 

Another performance that I think should be brought up is the first Sam Peter fight he put on a clinic against a strong prime heavyweight contender as a fat middleweight only to be robbed.

 

James Toney has his best performances in the H2H hypotheticals in Classic where he basically destroys everybody.

 

Barkley. Really enjoyed his performance against Tim Littles, though. Badly cut and needing to stop Littles or risk the fight being stopped because of the cut, he went out and dropped Littles the next round.

 

McCallum 1 for me he went skill for skill in a technical war against a fellow ATG and in the eyes of most he should've won. IMO the best version of Toney I've seen technically and physically.

He looked great against Barkley but Barkley was dead at that weight (a bit ironic considering Toney s chronic problems with weight in his career) by then so much so that his next fight was at heavyweight.

 

This. Barkley was a masterclass of countering off the ropes and inside fighting but the Littles fight was winning at will against a good opponent.

'James, you need to knock him out this round.'

'OK, I will.'

 

Glad someone mentioned Littles. Toney was thisclose to getting stopped on cuts and pulled one outta his azz to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

 

I watched that again maybe a year ago. It really wasn't a robbery. I think I ended up with a draw. I remember Toney dropping close rounds because Peter would land big shots before the bell.

 

I struggled to give Peter more then 3 rounds he was getting outlanded pretty much every round.

 

Peter outlanded Toney in power punches by a single punch. He was out jabbed though.

Try to picture how hard Peter's punches were perceived from ringside. I'm sure the judges were quick to give Peter those rounds where he'd club Toney with an overhand right and knock sweat off his head or briefly wobble Toney. Those things happened quite a bit. And Toney is a guy who got the benefit of the doubt with the judges in most of his close fights.

 

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Was he? Based on what CompuBox? From what I saw Peter was mostly hitting air or shoulders and rarely hitting Toney clean while Toney was nailing him with constant counter right hands and jabs. And I wouldn't say he got the benefit, both Griffin fights were close and the judges gave it to Griffin both times, judges had the first McCallum fight a draw when I thought Toney clearly won, there's the Peters fight and the Thadazi fight.

 

Yeah, that's Compubox.

I'd say Toney tended to fare well on the cards. He was given wide scores against Jirov in a fight that seemed up for grabs in the 12th. He won many SD and MD fights through his career (not going to count them out). He arguably could've gotten the Griffin wins or the first McCallum fight, but I've never heard anyone say he deserved to beat Thadzi. Overall, it's skewed in his favor.

Back to the original topic: The Peter fight obviously shouldn't be considered one his best performances because he was a fat slob for that fight. He could've done quite a bit better just by getting in shape.

 

Compubox is notoriously unreliable I wouldn't rely on it for stats. I mean sure he was in a bad shape but I think he did well against a dangerous puncher and imo clearly won but we can agree to disagree.

 

I thought Dave Tiberi beat James Toney but his fight vs Evander and the body work was impressive _ Jirov fight was impressive but Evander was body battered