James Toney (HW or CW) vs Foreman in Zaire-

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  2. Two Ton Toney is literally the messiah

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  1. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

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    I think Toney could outslick and exhaust Foreman. George reasonably would not hit much harder then Samuel Peter or Rahman so Toney ain't getting taken out, now while the latter two were not in Georges class they had much better gas tanks. Could Toney survive long enough to take over and dethrone "Young" Foreman?
     
  2. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No Toney can't win. It is a bit unfair, Toney was not a heavyweight. This is a 5ft9 former middleweight who did very well at heavweight (underrated IMO), especially considering his lack of dedication. But not win against the ATG heavweights.
     
  3. Kamikaze

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    Based on what does Toney lose? I mean Peters and Rahman where equally as strong, powerful and mostly in Peters case aggressive. Now they are not In Georges class per say they had better gas tanks. He ain't taking Toney out, he ain't outlasting him or outfoxing him.
     
  4. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    On the basis that Toney had close calls against lesser fighters in Peter and Rahman
     
  5. McGrain

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    The idea that Foreman was "exhuasted" in Zaire is proper. But what's not maybe taken into account enough is the fact that the 215lb Ali was absolutely blasting Foreman's head off with right hands throughout:

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    Not sure Toney is landing those kind of punches on Foreman.
     
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  6. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    I don't think Toney would have the feet here to beat George. I think he could go to a decision though.
     
  7. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is an execution, Foreman obliterates him
     
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  8. META5

    META5 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Add in Ali's size and strength in terms of reach and clinch - Toney's tough, ring savvy and highly skilled, but still a SMW/LHW at best at a natural boxing weight unassisted by 'vitamins' and badly disciplined dietary regimes.

    Big George is seriously underrated and disrespected around these parts - when did that become a thing?
     
  9. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Think Foreman knocks him out…can’t see a pocket fighter lasting against Foreman. Even great ones. You stand in front of George he’s gonna get u out
     
  10. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    Foreman via KO inside 7. Toney gets battered. He was too fat & stationary at HW. As good as his defence was, Foreman will land something, & when he does; it'll hurt. Toney will need to move to win. He also lacks the size, physical strength & punching power to keep Foreman off him. Those little counters rights won't have any effect.
     
  11. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Toney is undoubtedly very durable and very skilled. But despite these facts, I think a two fisted mauling from George Foreman may hand Toney his first stoppage loss. This wouldn’t be like fighting Sam Peter or a 40 year old Evander.
     
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  12. ThatOne

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    At least put Big George in there with Toney's daddy Roy Jones Jr.
     
  13. Scrap_Iron_Johnson

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    I like Toney here, but I don't think he stands up to the onslaught Foreman unleashed that night. Toney is slick, but I think he gets rezoned for strip mining by the fists of Big George.
     
  14. Journeyman92

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