james toney is over rated and hes not an ATG

I'd call James Toney an all-time great. But he is definitely over-rated on a lot of boxing forums. A lot of fans like to claim that Toney is some sort of technical boxing guru of the modern boxing era, but that simply isn't true. He has a brilliant defence and is a master on the inside, but that's where it ends. He's always had difficulty against fighters with decent footwork and movement. He's never displayed an exceptional ability to fight on the outside at a world championship level.

 

Who weighs more right now, James "Lights Out" Toney, YOUR IBA/NABO Heavyweight Champion of the World, or fat boy Naseem Hamed?

 

Because Benn and Eubanks blatantly ducked him. Barkley was coming off a win over Hearns to become a 3 weight champion, he shut out Thornton who had given Eubanks a close fight, destroyed 24-0 Littles, ko'd ex champ Williams before losing his title to Jones Jr

Did I mention he fought 12times in 2 years?

 

That, I have to say, is very impressive. Especially for a modern fighter.

 

Name three other fighters in boxing history who would have done as well against the guys he fought over the length of time that he fought in the weight classes that he fought. You can't. I think people underrate him because he has losses on his resume because he fought so often and over so many different classes, and for so long. His resume is like an old timer, he has a few losses and sluggish performances, but nobody says Ezzard Charles was overrated because he lost to Lloyd Marshal. Toney wasn't like these modern fighters who fight a hand picked guy every 6 months.

Toney wasn't the greatest or most consistent but he would be competitive with virtually everyone from 160-200, and I think should be respected for being unique, and quite possibly the last guy to fight the way he did.

 

Barkley was a shell of his former self by the time Toney got to him. He'd just moved down in weight a few fights after beating an even more shop-work Tommy Hearns by SD at LHW, and was clearly not the same fighter he used to be by that time anyway. Let's not bull**** each other and try to blow that win up. It was a picture perfect performance from Toney, but against an opponent on a silver platter.

 

Whats an "arse?"

 

Yeah boxrec is great way to score a fight.atsch

 

Why would Ezzard Charles be considered overrated for losing to one of the best MW-LHW fighters of all time in Lloyd Marshall, especially considering how young he was at the time? Did you forget that Charles also beat Marshall in subsequent rematches in emphatic fashion? When did Toney ever beat an opponent the caliber of Marshall in the first place outside of maybe McCallum, who was past his prime by the time Toney barely managed to squeak out a decision?

Toney was naturally a very big, strong, broad structured guy, which is why he was so fit and able to fight at higher weights whereas naturally smaller guys wouldn't have done as well. It doesn't mean he was a more skilled fighter than they were, which was proven by his performances at lower weights, even his best ones.

 

No body beats Mike McCallum soundly at 160 sorry just doesn't happen. Not to mention Toney was very green by the time this fight happened. Toney only had 25 amatuer fights that shows how much of a born fighter Toney is.

Oh and if you actually seen either Griffin fight insyead of just takin a walk over to boxrec you would know Toney clearly won both fights.

 

:rofl

 

If I ever am walking by Prince Hamed, I will throw a doughnut in front of him to see if he jumps for it.