James TONEY: "(on KLITschko) I'd put the PRESSURE on HIM...it's OVER..."

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  1. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    That's true but still it's not bull****. Let's check out Wladimir's losses, Purrity outlasted him and took everything thrown at him till the very end and Wladimir had nothing to defend his self with, then comes Sanders who is a pressure fighter and Brewster a pressure fighter.

    I'm not saying this based on nothing, as a huge fan of Wladimir I won't deny weaknesses when I see them and it's not Wladimir's chin, it's his stamina that could fail him and when a pressure fighter who has speed is the opponent then it doesn't make thing easy at all. If Povetkin can't handle his power then he won't be able to apply any pressure, if he can then the fight will be way more dangerous than you think.

    Also I don't care what excuses haters bring about how Povetkin has o experience, the man won a tournament not many though he would and is Wladimir's mandatory for the IBF.
     
  2. jisi

    jisi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Don´t forget, against Puritty Wladimir was only 22 years old. And his trainer was amateurish, it was Sdunek. The first Brewster fight Sdunek was the athletic coach. And than he was fired by Wlad. He better had fired Sdunek after Puritty, in which fight the coach throws the towel instead of telling Wlad in the corner to pace himself.

    Since 2004 Wladimir has a professional trainer with great experience in his corner, Emanuel Steward, and he taeches him very well. Wlad today is a different fighter. He knows things he never knows in the past.

    Wlad worked on his stamina and he improved since 2004. His legs are more strong with less muscles on the upper body. Steward formed a more complete professional fighter.
     
  3. THE BLADE

    THE BLADE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I would be very surprise if Povetkin makes it a competitive fight. He is simply too green in my opinion, and who did he beat ?? A totally shot Byrd and a good fighter in Chambers but who is not elite.

    Waldo is just frustratingly inactive and his fights are so boring.
     
  4. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Steward has improved him, of course. But he still went into full blown panic-attack mode 'vs' Peter nearly got KO'd again.
     
  5. papke26

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    James toney has a chance, lets all campaighn for the fight and see toney v the russian. Then the gobshite, can at last recieve karma for all of his bullying behavoir.
     
  6. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Toney is very personable, most people who've met him say he's one of the sports nice guys. He's a trash talker alright, and hes good at it. He's also a 5'9 middleweight fighting giants, thats not a bully.

    ps Klitschko is a Ukrainian.
     
  7. Gsand

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    Was that english?

    Either way, he gets raped by Wlad or Vitali.
     
  8. Gsand

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    The video I meant
     
  9. Scar

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    The first Brewster fight saw the introduction of Steward as the main trainer in his team, but yes Sdunek was also in the corner and talked a lot of smack about Wladimir havint to retire if he loses to Brewster and so on.

    Stamina issues are there and it's no shame, the man is big, it's really hard to be that big and stay too active in there and that's exactly what aggressive fighters do to you, the keep you active as long as they can take your bombs till they eventually break you down and starting to land their own. Wladimir showed serious signs of getting tired against Thompson even though Thompson didn't do nothing to take advantage of many opportunities he had and was far too cautious than he should be, same thing happened against Peter but Wladimir was able to manage to get out of it because of his will and desire. Then again all what I'm saying doesn't even need to convince you otherwise and I'm a huge Klitschko fan as well so don't get this wrong, just letting you pay attention to these important points and possible flaws because I honestly believe they will be very visible against Povetkin IF and ONLY IF Povetkin is able to handle the power Wladimir will provide early in the fight.
     
  10. pugilist64

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    The only thing Toney has put pressure on in recent years is his fridge freezer.
     
  11. Scar

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    At this point in the division there aren't any to be considered elite to be honest, "Very good" is the highest rank available with Wladimir possibly being the only elite prime fighter out there. Chambers is a very good fighter, a better one than Brock as he already proved and a fighter not many thought Povetkin will beat easily the way he did, HELL not many thought Povetkin will win the tournament and claimed this is "too early" yet he proved them wrong and is obviously getting no credit for it. Screw the credit if they don't want to give it to him but reality remains and the man captured the #1 spot he intentionally seeked for WLADIMIR'S title and no easier option, don't you think these guys had this fight in mind even before turning professional?, yes they did, there's a lot behind this than you probably know.
     
  12. Scar

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    :lol: :lol:
     
  13. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Are we talking about Wlad or his sister Vitalia?

    James Toney reminds me of that old guy who hangs around at the basketball parks, bitching at kids who are playing basketball. The kinda guy who says stuff like "Oh yeah, I'd put a hurting on you stupid kids. I'd beat ya'll 20-1 with one hand tied behind my back." So then he gets on the court and he sucks, so he says 'Well back in MY PRIME, I'd whoop ya'll."

    He's still the funniest boxer alive right now.
     
  14. jisi

    jisi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I believe that Sdunek did not only talk smack he had something to do with the loss to Brewster and he hopes that Wladimir came back to him and Steward would leave Wladimir after a loss. But this did not happend. Steward stay with Wladimir and helped him to become a more complete fighter.

    Sorry but i didn´t see Wladimir was tired against Thompson. He knocked Thompson out in the 11th round. Fighting 12 rounds is hard and every person gets tired. But the thing is to box althow you get tired. And Wladimir has this experience now. Povetkin is a very good boxer, very skilled but he turned not from amateur to a professional boxer.

    Povetkin will not be able to handle the power because his face will cut and bruised up. Is a professional cutman in the corner of Povetkin? I believe not. Wladimir had a very good cutman, and he need him, Jacob Duran. A good cutman is also a part of boxing.

    Wladimir learned his lesson what professional real is and he learned it a very hard way. Luckyly it was not to late.
     
  15. Suge Green

    Suge Green Boxing Junkie banned

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    Never mind the haters, that tournament was a sham...Brock had just been sent to the end of the line, and he's one of the 4 guys...???...Chris Byrd...???...he'd just been dealt with...it was bull****.

    2 prospects, and 2 guys WLAD had just "eliminated"/ knocked out, making up their "World Heavyweight Title Elimination Tournament."...:barf