James Toney should have retired after fighting Jirov

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Flatlander, Jan 27, 2011.


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  1. Flatlander

    Flatlander Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That was his last really good fight. His legacy would have been intact and he wouldn't be seen as such a joke now. He is one of the greatest old school defensive fighters in history. It is sad to see where he has fallen to.
     
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  2. Sdt

    Sdt Active Member Full Member

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    What about his fights with Holy and Ruiz?
     
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  3. zoo

    zoo Active Member Full Member

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    I don't think the aftermath of the Ruiz fight did his reputation any good.
     
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  4. Earl-hickey

    Earl-hickey Boxing Junkie banned

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    nah, i love seeing big mouth toney get disgraced.
     
    Earl-hickey, Jan 27, 2011
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  5. Flatlander

    Flatlander Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holyfield is shot and was shot when they fought. Ruiz never was that good. Jirov was on top of his game and gave as good as he got in their fight. It was a fight of the year nominee.
     
    Flatlander, Jan 27, 2011
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  6. Trixie

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    The amount of anti-Toney revisionist history that goes on with boxing fans today is outrageous. Ruiz was never that good but when RJJ danced his way to a points win over him it was one of the greatest achievements in the history of boxing. Then Toney stands in the pocket and beats him like an erection and it is nothing. **** it.
     
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  7. Flatlander

    Flatlander Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Point taken but the fight with Ruiz was not anywhere near the fight Toney vs Jirov was and no one was surprised when Toney outclassed either Holyfield or Ruiz. Well no one that knows boxing that is.
     
    Flatlander, Jan 27, 2011
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  8. Earl-hickey

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    toney was on drugs when he beat ruiz
     
    Earl-hickey, Jan 27, 2011
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  9. Trixie

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    Nothing that you said there is untrue, but there's a reason why Pacquiao has all of the legitimacy and Floyd has none. Or at least at welter weight, anyway. Even though people who know boxing expect you to shred Ruiz (I am not sure I agree that with Holy people who "knew boxing" uniformly picked Toney to stop him) you still have to go out and do it to prove that you can.

    Sure, Holy was a million miles past his prime but IMO that was still a good win for him. Are we forgetting that Toney is a natural middle weight?
     
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  10. ThePunchingBag

    ThePunchingBag Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He should have retired after the fight that got him into the spotlight again and enabled him to make a lot of $?

    great idea...
     
    ThePunchingBag, Jan 27, 2011
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  11. Thread Stealer

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    Toney was paid like $3 million to fight Holyfield. Plus, even if Holyfield was 41 years old, it was also a fight that helped Toney win The Ring's Fighter of the Year.
     
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  12. zoo

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    That was Roy Jones Jr nuthuggers proclaiming that win as something special.
     
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  13. PNoyFightFanUSN

    PNoyFightFanUSN Larry Don't Give a **** Full Member

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    i'm checking that fight now. why did he take that BK Endorsement deal?!
     
    PNoyFightFanUSN, Jan 28, 2011
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  14. Antsu

    Antsu Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holy was 1 to 3 favorite to win it, so by no means was everuyone expecting Toney to win it.

    It was a great victory for Toneys legacy
     
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  15. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I certainly think getting outboxed by Sam f'n Peter in the rematch should've told him something.

    Damon Reed may have a kick-ass first name, but he's also an overfed cruiser that gets knocked out, usually fairly quickly, by any name value fighter he's come up against. Should be an easy but fairly meaningless night for Toney, there to blow off some cobwebs.
     
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