James Toney...thoughts?

Or just not.

 

On his best day I'd pick Toney to beat Hagler and Monzon. He has the superior skills, technique, countering, speed alongside the chin, power and combinations to win a decision against both.

 

Did Anyone else score Toney-Peter I for toney? i felt toney gave him a boxing lesson. peter ate counter right hand shots the whole night. I had toney winning 116-113

 

Yep I did, now watch some Prime Toney and imagine what he might have done if he was a 180lbs ripped version of the Toney in his prime. He beat Peter, Oldyfield, Ruiz, Guinn weighing about 60lbs overweight.

 

This is the reason for my first post in this thread.

 

Toney at his best would have presented problems for Hagler and Monzon at 160lbs, but he would not have beaten them. If McCallum can pick his punches on Toney well and give him hell expect Hagler to go one better. I can't see Hagler dominating Toney easily.

 

I agree with Sweat Pea on this one.

Toney is/was an excellent fighter, and his resume is deceptive for how good he actually was, but IMO he's not the H2H talent that alot of people think.

 

Toney was a great fighter. Old-school techniques developed by an old-school trainer in Bill Miller. Fought often, could make guys miss and pay with the best of them, had a great repitoire of punches, and has one of the best chins of all time. With that said, he's great against certain styles, but is susceptible to others. Can't stand it when people say he's unbeatable when focused.

 

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Great fighter, one of my faves.

Also exceptionally clean fighter, no fouling or underhand tactics - unexpected somewhat, if you consider his personality in boxing.

 

I think he'd always lose to RJJ, but I think he could make it somewhat closer

Calazage he'd seriously take to school and probably KO. Calazages defense is too open,
punches too wide for a master like Toney. I've watched all of Calazages career, hes been carefully matched and always open to counter rights. Bread and butter for Toney

BHOPs would be a close call, a tactical battle but Toney has definately got more tricks and is the better puncher of the 2

 

Hagler would very often walk forward taking shot after shot to land his own shots. This is an excellent stylistically match up for Toney. Toney would be able to counter, roll and counter. His punches were more compact, better timed and better delivered than Haglers. Haglers pressure and own abilities would win some rounds but I highly favour Toney if both of the best versions show up

Monzon would be a very tactical affair, with both fighters trying to make it their style of fight and this too would be a close fight. Toney was excellent at closing down and putting pain on tall excellent boxers as we can see against Nunn

 

First of all, your acting like Reggie Johnson had Toney ready to go, no he didn't. Toney recovered well from that knockdown. Toney usually was hurt by a punch because he had trouble making weight(Johnson, Jones) than he was because of his chin.

 

You mean he'd win a round this time?


Toney is as tough and resilient as they come, had excellent counterpunching skills and an iron chin, but also lost to or struggled with some pretty mediocre fighters and has more excuses (from fans, not him) than almost every other boxer outside of Holyfield.

 

One of the greatest chins of all-time. It is remarkable how durable he has been his whole career from MW to HW.