James Toney v Joe Calzaghe: The Resume

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  1. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    No it depends on who the fighters are. in this one only a nutthugger would say Calzaghe has a better resume than Toney.
     
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  2. pugilist64

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    There must be many journey men in any division who have fought a lot of the top men in their division. Only problem is what is their win/loss ratio against these top opponents? Probably not great.
     
    pugilist64, Aug 16, 2008
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  3. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    A little naive.


    Most users have the sense to chemically mask the presence of steroids in their system. It's only when they get careless and miss out (or miss-time )the masking agent that they get caught.

    Marion Jones tested clean at the olympics. It was only years later that she was caught, and not by testing but rather, by testimony.


    I have no evidence one way or the other. I KNOW he was using at heavy-wt, and I merely asked:

    " How do you know it was only at Heavy-weight ? "
     
    cuchulain, Aug 16, 2008
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  4. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    also theres guys with undefeated records that havent fought anyone.
     
    bladerunner, Aug 16, 2008
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  5. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    Nope, they should just present their reasons for why they think that.
     
    DINAMITA, Aug 16, 2008
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  6. pugilist64

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    He didn`t test positive??

    http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jun/13/sports/spw-boxing13

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/12/sports/othersports/12toney.html

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_22_107/ai_n13796145

    http://boxing.about.com/b/2007/06/13/toney-suspended-for-steroids-again.htm

    http://articles.latimes.com/2005/may/12/sports/sp-boxing12

    http://www.kocosports.com/absolutenm/anmviewer.asp?a=15917&z=3

    :admin
     
    pugilist64, Aug 16, 2008
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  7. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    on the one hand you say you will give calzaghe zero credit whatsoever if he beats roy jones .

    on the other you say james toney`s best performances come against fighters

    like holyfield/mccallum/guinn/barkley/etcetc all who had multiple loses coming in to average or journaymen fighters and were in the last fight


    one rule for calzaghe and another rule for toney !
     
    sean, Aug 16, 2008
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  8. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    calzaghe resume is ok , people make out its ****

    opponents calzaghe beat

    glen catley-168 world champ ko 1

    mark prince gave darius michaelzweski a very good world title fight -ko2

    chris byrd ko 3

    world champs in world title fights
    eubank
    reid
    woodhall
    brewer
    mitchell
    lacy
    kessler

    hopkins non title fight

    solid contenders like
    bika
    veit
    starie-just beat woods to give woods first loss

    punchers like
    delaney
    mrkitchian

    handled young prime fighters like
    sheika easily after sheika has just beaten glen johnson in the fight before

    like any resume it can be picked apart but it is a lot better than people make out.

    in 2006/07/08 calzaghe has taken on three 50/50 fights , yet it is only after the event people disregard his opposition.
     
    sean, Aug 16, 2008
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  9. warrior85

    warrior85 R.I.P THUNDER Full Member

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    :good :yep good post
     
    warrior85, Aug 16, 2008
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  10. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    James Toney's resume. Joe Calzaghe's resume is so poor it's really hard to pick him against anyone.
     
    Scar, Aug 16, 2008
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  11. KCD

    KCD All aboard. Full Member

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    Toneys workrate shits allover Joes but i think Joe probably beats Toney at both 168 and 175 due to intelligent pressure and workrate.
     
    KCD, Aug 16, 2008
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  12. KCD

    KCD All aboard. Full Member

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    Toneys workrate shits allover Joes but i think Joe probably beats Toney at both 168 and 175 due to intelligent pressure and workrate.
     
    KCD, Aug 16, 2008
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  13. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Did you read Sean's post, two above yours ?
     
    cuchulain, Aug 16, 2008
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  14. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    sean wrote:

    "world champs in world title fights
    eubank"

    :nono
     
    JonOli, Aug 16, 2008
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  15. TFFP

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    Eubank would be a former would champ, in a world title fight. It was vacant, but still...
     
    TFFP, Aug 16, 2008
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