James Toney v Joe Calzaghe: The Resume

Yet again, you have just proved the opposite point to what you set out to do!!

If you actually knew anything about the guys on Toney's resume, you would realize this.

1.I give you this comparison to an extent, but remember that Toney is a natural middleweight and Jirov is a natural cruiserweight. Also, Jirov won and held his world title for 4 years before Toney took it, Lacy got a vacant belt and had held it for less than 2 years. Jirov was slightly higher class, regardless of the weight issue.

2.I give you this one too, but again it is worth noting that Toney stopped Holyfield, and Calzaghe was not impressive at all in winning a split decision v Hopkins.

4.McCallum II and Eubank are on the same level I think, even though McCallum was a far better fighter p4p.

7.Williams and Mitchell ok comparison too.

For the rest of them, think of who you are actually comparing here, and look at the guys records and achievements:

Mike McCallum I and Mikkel Kessler?
Michael Nunn and Robin Reid??
Iran Barkley and Charles ****ing Brewer?!?!
Tim Littles and Richie Woodhall??
I'm not even touching mention of David Starie or Peter ****ing Manfredo, that's just the act of a desperate man.
The guys you've brought up are a clear level below the guys Toney beat at the time he beat them. If you don't know this, that's your problem. I'm guessing you are quite young and didn't follow boxing in the early 1990s.

And Toney beating guys like Guinn and Brooker, and beating Peter in the 1st fight but not getting the decision, is more like Calzaghe beating Alexander Povetkin or Chris Arreola just now, then slugging it out with Peter to a close points decision. Of course he doesn't have the ability or courage to do such a thing. He wouldn't cope at cruiserweight.

I cannot understand why you stubbornly and childishly keep arguing about this, it's plain obvious to any boxing fan. If you think Calzaghe is better p4p or peak h2h then fine, but he clearly clearly does not have a resume that is anywhere near as good.

 

Mikkel Kessler would have beaten McCallum at 168. He is spot on - nothing wrong with that comparison.

Eubank and McCallum II aren't the same either. McCallum was close to social security and retired right after, Eubank went on to perform credibily at cruiserweight although losing

Toney does not have a "natural" weight. It's not our fault he can't stop training in Dunkin Donuts.

 

Yet again I am confronted with sheer ignorance and arrogance from you Calzaghe obsessives trying to correct me...

The first and second McCallum fights were at middleweight, so your "spot on" comparisons are actually just more of the usual bull****.

I ask you guys again, as I have before, know your ****ing stuff before you come on here trying to correct people. It's getting easy to the point of just boring.

If you had followed Toney's career, you would know that his natural, optimum fighting weight where he was best was middleweight 91-94. But clearly you are just commenting on things you know nothing about, as usual.

Aren't there any knowledgable Calzaghe fans in the world??!?

 

I agree with you entirely on this, yet not at all in your scathing criticisms of Oscar De La Hoya. Strange.

 

Not at all. I'm not a big DLH fan at all, just think that some of the criticism he gets is totally unwarranted. You said Hopkins was the only slightly bigger guy he ever faced, I merely pointed out it wasn't at all, named some, and explained why there was absolutely nothing wrong (in fact, everything right) with him fighting shorter men in his earlier career. But, at least we can agree on h2h and resume Toney, so that's something.

 

Since you are so into "optimal" weights, you'll know McCallum's was 154 and not 160, and you'll also know that Kessler's is 168, right about where that fight took place.

A case can be made McCallum beat him in one, and its not the only disputable verdict on Toney's resume when he was supposed to be "optimal" yet was infact inconsistent as hell in his performances.

 

I'm acting like it does exist, but that he can't be criticized for it. He can be criticized for that idiotic Pacquiao idea, but not his actual career.

 

I'm not so into 'optimum' fighting weights, but Toney's was middleweight, simple fact. He fought McCallum at that weight, not the weight that Kessler fought at. Another simple fact.

And yes, Toney won a split decision over ATG Mike McCallum, but Calzaghe had a split decision with Robin ****ing Reid.

 

As long as we're clear that Toney's is better, and we do seem to be, I'm satisfied, as that is the truth. I personally think it's substantially better, for all the reasons stated.

Toney fought more and defeated more quality fighters between 1991 and 1994 than Calzaghe did 1993 til 2006- and that's a fact you can take to the bank.