James Toney vs 70s George Foreman (15 rounds)

Aren't you forgetting that Toney will be firing back from in the pocket...that's the only Ali similarity I can see. All of what you have written is correct BUT Toney was a clever in fighter, short, joting hooks and uppercuts would be coming back, and yes, we can say Foreman would be better balanced, but he'd also be standing squarer on, presenting a big target himself. Interesting points made...thanks all..

 

Foreman .

 

Thought I was losing my mind.

 

You're wasting your time mate. Guys like Kamikaze and CT have trouble grasping the simplest of concepts.

 

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Foreman by brutal knockout

 

Toney had two ways of setting up his offense, especially in the Peter bout.

Jabbing whilst holding center.
Slipping and riding the right and coming back with his right and sometimes a right uppercut, which he uses to set up the rest of his infighting.

I've already covered how foreman stops Toney jabbing in my first post

On Toneys right and infighting, Toney nearly always sets his work up off a counter right. Foreman's chin simply makes counters ineffective and wouldn't deter him activity wise. Toney isn't fit or active enough, not powerful enough, to exhaust Foreman, who would shove and bully Toney as he did frazier when in close. Most of Toneys infighting would be pre emptively negated by Foreman's shoving his shoulders (as he did to frazier), so he wouldn't need to actually outskill James here imo. Toney has shown in his career that he can fall into a defensive shell with a lax work rate when he can't be effective. Foreman would absolutely take advantage of this imo and work his body, kidney etc. Toney had a great chin but his body isn't indestructible.

 

Foreman would most likely win but Toney would make him look very bad at points

 

No offence mate, but this isn't some highly debatable strategic match up. They're a bunch of heavyset heavyweights. Both men are boxing their one way here. I'm not going through film frame by frame for this, especially to show tactics that Foreman very obviously uses in every one of his bouts (as many other good posters in this thread have also described). I know you've got a cob on for Foreman but your questions about what he'd do are bordering on being pedantic.

And to answer your question, here's Foreman doing exactly as I said to Frazier within the first 10 seconds (and I specified both left and right hand in my second post on thread). And before you mention it, Toney as a heavyweight actually has more stylistic similarity to Frazier than Ali or Young in terms of positioning his body, so it's applicable

Edit: re-watching Foreman-Frazier here with fresh eyes actually makes me think it would be an even wider beat down for Foreman

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