Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by ENI_3300, Dec 28, 2021.
Beterbiev feasts on spoilers and guys who want to be an octopus and grab hold like lovers.
Yea no. At what weight are we talking about? Cuz Tyson stops him within 3 rounds tops. Are you just talking 175? Because there are numerous fighters in the unlimited class who stop him.
Not sure which Tyson you're talking about..
Either one wouldn't take Tony in less than 3 rounds. That's just silly. A prime Mike would stop him eventually Tony could take a beating so it certainly wouldn't be quick. Agree the top guys at heavy like Lewis would stop him but the thread is about 175 lbs so not sure why you took it the way you did.....
Toney had an amazing chin, anytime he may have been hurt at a lower weight was due to him dropping and gaining to much in between fights. Other then that he had an iron chin.
Enrico freaking Kölling boxes eleven complete rounds with Beterbiev without suffering a knockdown (the first ten without being so much as rocked) - and yet James freaking Toney, regarded by many as in the conversation for modern-era if not all-time defensive GOAT, is going to definitely get hurt?
In what universe is Kölling even close to as defensively sound or durable as Toney?
Beterbiev did that on purpose that's why he wanted to go 12 rounds. That's why he carried him into the 12th and then stopped him.
Beterbiev took it easy on Koelling and then took him out when he wanted to.
The problem with matching Beterbiev with anyone is that his record has so few fights. Toney has over 90 fights and he proved his skillset throughout career. Beterbiev started late and he's likely going to end his career with less than 25 fights. We'll be lucky if we get 20 fights out of him before he ends his career.
That's why I hate matching up Beterbiev to ATGs. He's a beast of a man and he's brutal fight for anyone, but his career is so shallow. He doesn't have a lot of career defining fights and his resume is not diverse enough.
I'm going to pick Toney based on his proven resume and long career.
Another thread in a overrated old boxer getting picked ahead of better current fighter Toney at light heavy was nothing special Beterbiev is more than just a puncher he can box if need be
LMFAO! Toney is one of my favorite fighters of all time, but anybody that thinks Toney will school Beterbiev or will win lopsidedly without being pushed to his absolute limits is pure fan-boying / fan-girling in my opinion.
Having a great chin doesn't make you immune to physical damage. Just ask Mariusz Wach what he was up to and just how badly he was damaged after the beatdown Povetkin put on him. His chin is what prevented him from getting put to sleep, and in my opinion, 95+% of heavyweights would have been starched had they taken even partial of the beating Povetkin put on Wach. Yet, even without getting KO'ed, Wach had broken bones, broken teeth, broken ribs and fractured face, so much so that the dude had to wear a bandage around his arm for multiple days after the fight, and needed implants in his face to heal from the beatdown he suffered.
Beterbiev may not KO Toney, and may even lose by decision, but IMO believe you me, Toney will be the one who will have suffered greater physical damage after the bout. From broken teeth, to broken bones, to broken ribs, to swellings and anything else you can name. Toney's counter-punching skills will allow him to land cleaner shots more frequently. Difference is, even if Beterbiev doesn't land as much scoring-blows, Toney will feel the affects of every punch that touches him anywhere in his body, whether it's in his shoulders, arms and etc. Toney likely wins a decision, but spends more time in hospital needing more treatment than Beterbiev, with his shoulders and arms rendered ineffective for multiple days post-fight. And then Toney is never the same-fighter again, likely gets stopped in a rematch by Beterbiev and becomes more injury prone.
At some-point, raw strength and power overcomes skill. And I believe this is when it hapens!
Toney has never faced someone with the combination of power, stamina, accuracy, punch-technique and etc.
Toney is way more proven and won't be a stationary target who's terrified to fire back. Even HWs couldn't stop Toney, the likes of Rahman, Peter and even washed up Holyfield would have all KO'd Beterbiev
The worst thing is, that Bet wasn't unskilled caveman.
He was World Championships Gold and Silver medalist.
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So yeah, 28-35 y.o Beterbiev might had been nightmare opponent, regardless how good boxer you are and even if you are ATG, HOF and with other perks in 175 lbs division.
He had been avoided like nightmare, only Gvozdyk then had balls to fight vs him, despite Gvozdyk had title from different org and no one had any power to force him to do bout vs Bet.
Neither one is KOing the other.
Toney was inconsistent, and if he could lose to Thadzi and Griffin, he could lose to Beterbiev.
That said, If both are at their very best, Toney takes this on points.
Toney all day. Beterbiev is one of my favorite active fighters too but he ain't beating Toney.
Are you saying this unironically in defense of a guy with less than 20 pro fights?
And don’t try that **** about his amateur career - it’s no one else’s fault these dudes wait til they’re 30 to turn pro.
Another posted mentioned Beterbiev being good against “spoilers” is that what we’re calling James Toney now?
Yall need to go watch some James Toney fights…