james toney vs Calzaghe 168lbs

Watch Toney Jirov.....Toney managed to fend of a beast of a cruiserweight douthpaw...expect him to blow Clzaghe in 10 rnds

 

Michael Nunn was a southpaw, but he had to use lateral movement to get around Toney's shell defense. Calzaghe never shown lateral movement in fights.

Also Toney's counter right hand would be more effective against a southpaw than an orthadox fighter.

Toney used to wait for his opponent to over stretch his straight right enough so that the counter right would fit perfectly as if his opponent is standing southpaw.

A prime Toney knew how to brawl aswell as box.

 

Joe does not bend over putting to much weight on his lead foot leaving himself open to uppercuts etc, he's also much quicker than Jirov and does not look to hurt you most of the time, he just tries to touch you as much as he can, different fighter to Jirov imo.:thumbsup

 

I dont think he did use that much lateral movement. To me lateral movement would be what Hopkins was doing against Tito. Nunn backed up in spots, but I think that's because he wanted to keep it long, he would rather take a step back than shorten up his punches insides, as Toney's best shot in the fight was to rumble on the inside.


There is no doubt Toney would find some great counters, some eye catching punches, but the problem I see, is whether they would come consistently enough? I mean how many transitions are you going to get from defense to offense when the guy is throwing as many combination's as what Joe does, and at speed? not saying Toney couldn't win, but that he might have issues to overcome.

 

Toney,

I have seen noobs say calfaggi would outwork him.

Toney has had several 1000+ punch fights. Toney is more skilled and wont be outworked

 

Which fights ?


Tiberi, Thadzi outworked him, as did McCallum in the rematch imo, only Toney got a gift, he also, rightly or wrongly, got outhustled by Montell Griffin 2x, according to the judges, although I thought he won both.

Toney came in out of shape for the biggest fight of his life against arguably the most talented fighter he'd ever faced, what does that say about his preparation? who is to say what Toney is going to turn up? to think its not a possibility is, well.........

Toney should of lost to Rahman aswell(1st fight), he apparently had a debatable win over Terry McGroom, and recently got a gift over Oquendo.

Toney was as inconsistent as hell due to his lack of preparation/dedication, do I think he would of lost, or struggled with the aforementioned had he been in top shape? maybe not, although Joe would still give him problems imo, but thats the issue here, Toney isn't always adequately prepared.

 

Toney had problems only with movers. Calzage stays in fron of the opponent. No way he beats a prime Toney fighting this type of fight.

 

Toney used to take punches on his shoulder, arms, back never flush on the body or head, and this was the time he would counter, either to the body or the head. This was his form of offense, to let his opponent open up and then eventually counter his opponent once he opened up.

Calzaghe's work rate + Lack of defense would benifit Toney more.

Calzaghe has shown to be suspect to counters from a 43 Hopkins who was past his prime, and a C Level Robin Reid. If you are talking about a prime Toney here, Calzaghe would be easy to be countered.

People see the defensive side of Toney, watch the offesnsive sides to him vs RJJ and Nunn, he would walk his opponents down.

 

and this.

 

James Toney never lost in 46 fights prior to facing Roy Jones Jr. and that was 16 years ago....

He's since gone on to win cruiserweight, light heavy and heavyweight titles, Calzaghe isn't even the same breath as the great James Toney.

 

Toney's defense is designed to combat attacks from a conventional fighter. Toney could roll with the right hand, bend under the hook, and when he came back up from bending under the hook and if they threw another hook, he was able to catch it on the right glove, he could rinse and repeat this because there is a certain sequence of punches that most fighters throw, like most fighters when throwing a right hand, will look to throw the left hook to redistribute their weight onto the other side, only the dynamics of all that changes against a southpaw, cause you're bending into their power hand.


I do agree his lack of defense and ACCURACY would be a positive for Toney, but as I say, I guess its whether Toney did enough consistently to exploit that, and that Calzaghe isn't getting credit from the judges for his potentially ineffective aggression.

Joe had his issues with Ried, but Toney should of lost to Dave Tiberi, did lose to Thadzi.

 

are you ****ers out of your tiny minds

prime toney could only manage a draw with 11 defeat sanderline williams :rofl

could only manage hometown split decisions against shite like
tiberi
sosa
johnson

got his ass kicked by jones and midget griffin :rofl



and you dumb ****ers think he could beat joe calzaghe :-nonoatsch

 

Against Jirov, Toney circled to his right towards Jirov's power hand (left), but this benifited Toney more because he was able to counter right more effectively this way.

Re Watch JT vs Jirov, and Calzaghe vs Reid. After that you should be able to realise this fight favours Toney far more than it does Calzaghe.

The reason I mentioned the Reid fight, is because Toney can do what Reid did, but alot better.

Thadzi got the better of Toney in the inside, because Thadzi used his physical strength advantage in a solid way. I dont know if Calzaghe is physical stronger, but JC hasnt displayed this in fights where he took advantage of his physical strength.

Calzaghe in general is a mid range slugger who out works his opposition.

RJJ UD Toney: RJJ used movement something Calzaghe didnt do.

Thadzi beating Toney: Thadzi was physically stronger and used it to his advantage.

Nunn troubling Toney: Movement and range

Did Tiberi beat Toney by Mid range slugging/slapping with high work rate? I dont know coz I aint seen tht fight.

McCallum: Used reach advantage + Jab to body and head.

From Toneys previous fights where he has looked vulnerable, what does Calzaghe do that would cause the same vulnerabilities to Toney?

Thats the question.

Calzaghe looked vulnerable to Reids counter punching, Toney can do this and has displayed this.

Calzaghe looked vulnerable to Hopkins counter punching Toney can do this and has displayed this.

Kessler countered reasonably well at times, and Kabery Salem caught Calzaghe with a solid right hand counter...

 

So what were Jirovs 5 best wins at that point ?

 

Easy Calzaghe win. Calzaghes resume at SMW far outweighs Toneys and Calzaghes LHW resume in 2 fights is better than Toneys LHW resume also.
Easy win for Calzaghe whilst Toney can try and get a win over Thadzi.

Easy Calzaghe win