James Toney vs Carlos Monzon @160

Carlos Monzon on points

 

Monzon on points. Buf close fight with Toney landing the harder shots.

 

Monzon never fought any great fighters in there prime. Just a bunch of Argentinians to pad his record with the occasional past prime great like Emile Griffith, Benvenuti, or blown up Welterweight like Napoles. Briscoe was the best on his resume and even he was past it. Ended up going afterword 23-13.

 

Monzon too strong for Toney. 'Lights Out' cute enough to take it the distance,though.

 

Toney makes it to the end of round 15, and actually has his moments, but loses to an overall superior Monzon, who again, coolly wins the chessmatch....knowing how to deal with anything Toney tries...knowing hiw to pretty much nullify anything James tries to do, "whilst" using his superior jab, reach, superior strength,...fighting tall along the way and never failing to tie Toney up at critical junctures of the fight. No one was a better ring general than Monzon, and that would have been the key reason for him winning by a unanimous 15 round decision.

 

Agreed.

The ability to nullify. How many other guys could have used that skill? So often everyone seems to think someone has to be superior to an opponent. Not true.

But I see King Carlos not falling for the Toney trap and counter by throwing lead right hands for James to slip and come over the top. More like moving his feet and forcing James to do the same. Like the Jones fight at 168, Monzon is not going to be in that sweet spot James wants him to be. It is a footwork fight.

Neither guy is going anywhere and I just don't see Toney winning enough rounds against this guy.

 

Yes to everything you posted...you said it better than me.

 

Briscoe went on to give Hagler just about all that he could handle...and what if that was the 1972 Briscoe?

 

Toney is overrated at 160. He was inconsistent and often weight drained.

Carlos also forced guys to fight every second of the 3 minutes. That would make James uncomfortable. Pace, relentlessness, strength and pressure.

 

This is how I see this fight...I don't view Monzon as technically superior to Toney, but I agree with Red that Monzon is the better ring general. Toney would come off better in pocket exchanges, but would find how that Monzon would adapt, force Toney to lead more than he wanted, and would not feed Toney's usual countering opportunities. Monzon's herky jerky, advance/retreat style would make Toney have to reset more than he would want to do. Monzon by close...but clear decision.

 

Fantastic ****ysis:good

 

Thanks!:good

 

Gave him all he could handle? In your dreams bud. Watch the fight, the only round Briscoe wasn't missing and being under absolute control of Hagler was the second half of the 8th. That wasn't even that much for Hagler compared to Hearns or Mugabi. Every other round Hagler had Briscoe on the end of his punches. The worst damage Briscoe even did was a headbutt to Hagler in the 3rd.

 

A tight nip and tuck battle for the first 8-10 rounds. Not much at all between the two. Toney's bending at the waist and use of a flick jab looking for counter opportunities plus Monzon's patience behind a jab means nothing much lands for both men. Monzon pulls away in the last 2 rounds being just a bit stronger at this weight. Monzon had a phenomenal gas tank and I only think opens up if Toney really tries to press the action. Monzon's straight right down the pipe might be able to keep Toney honest later in the bout. As opposed to the Toney vs Nunn bout where Toney became very aggressive and had was committed to trading inside Nunn's range.

Monzon by 2 points UD. Close bout.