James Toney vs Gennady Golovkin : at 160

If stupidity hurt you would require a morphine drip.atsch

 

Not only are you people brainwashed over these American boxers in terms of how great they were supposed to have been, you are so warped that the possibility of them using PED's is even unreasonable in your limited mind sets. Regardless of the actual positive doping tests.

One of the most disturbing personality cults I have encountered.

 

toney is too skilled for ggg

ggg is a can crusher so far.

 

:deal

 

I'd roll with Toney. I will say, I think Toney was a great fighter but like Duran he had inconsistent performances in the ring. I don't think the Toney that fought RJJ would beat GGG IMO. But I'd take Toney at his best against GGG at his best.

 

Go watch some clips of Toney then get back to us ..Its not opinion it's fact..

 

Jees IB , never thought I would ever disagree with you but Pavlik , Taylor , Martinez????? Really.

Nunn.
Benn.
Eubank.
McCallum.


The above 4 smash your 3 to absolute pieces.

 

He got caught twice at HW. Late in his career.

How is that an evidence that he took PEDs early in his career, as a MW and as a SMW?

Your claims are only wishful thinking and vague speculations, no facts.

 

Toney got caught twice as a HW, late in his career. That is not evidence that he used PEDs during all of his career, and certainly no evidence that he used them at the beginning of his career, at MW and SMW. Until proven otherwise, he's clean.

By the way, he got caught when he challenged John Ruiz for the WBA HW title. Definitely an important and career defining fight if you ask me.

But you like to turn things so that they suit your liking. You can of course have your opinion, but don't present your opinion as a fact here when it is not.

 

Nice story. You have a lot of fantasy. I liked the imaginary Toney quote.

 

Again:

Toney got caught twice as a HW, late in his career. That is not evidence that he used PEDs during all of his career, and certainly no evidence that he used them at the beginning of his career, at MW and SMW. Until proven otherwise, he's clean.

But you like to turn things so that they suit your liking. You can of course have your opinion, but don't present your opinion as a fact here when it is not.

And what has Lance Armstrong got to do with this??

 

And yet you refuse to acknowledge that 160lbs was the natural weight division for Toney in his early twens and you claim that he always had to drain himself to make that limit.

You are contradicting yourself.

Toney was a natural MW in his early twens, then his body grew into SMW and later into LHW. Him struggling to make weight at times and later moving up to CW and HW is all a matter of him lacking discipline.

 

So it's an established fact that Toney was on PEDs before he went to HW now?? Where, please, is the damn proof for that? That's some serious accusation right there, with nothing but speculations to back it up.

But I guess where it's coming from:

It is a fact that Toney has achieved far more at MW than GGG has so far.
It is also very probable that Toney would beat GGG if they faced each other. Most of the people here know that (look at the poll), and deep inside your heart you know that too, though you can't admit it. And peril knows that too, and Rico.

The thing is, that's a reality that is hard to swallow for you as a die-hard GGG fan.

So you're looking for an easy way out, and you found that by simply stating that Toney, since he got caught late in his career, always was on PEDs, and that therefore everything he did at MW and SMW isn't worth anything and he's not a good boxer after all. And of course GGG is much much better and would beat him if only Toney'd be clean.

But that is so pathetic... that's really the cheapest way to make an argument for Golovkin. Simply discredit another fighter based on speculations to make ones favorite fighter look better. Golovkin is a good fighter in his own right, he wouldn't need that sh*t, that's truly below him.

Listen, if you think that GGG would beat Toney at MW, then it's your opinion, you're entitled to it, and I don't have a problem with that (though I would of course disagree). That's what this thread is all about. Discussing boxing. Toney himself has stated that GGG is a beast and the best of this era (post 2010).
But please, keep these dirt cheap allegations of steroid use for yourself, that's just disgraceful.

 

And everything I wrote in my post above goes for Peril and Rico too.

 

atsch

:rofl

Polls do not prove anything, other than the hype and Nostalgia generated by American fighters, is enough to persuade 80 percent of this site (filled with American boxing fans who speak English) to root and believe Toney would beat Golovkin. Many Americans on here also believe a light heavyweight in Dempsey could knock out Wlad with a jab atsch Why is that? Nostalgia, hype and ignorance :deal It is the equivalent of people who worship Bruce Lee, saying he can knock out people who outweigh him by 300 pounds, and claim size does NOT matter :yep It is amazing what ignorance, hype, nostalgia and iconic figures can do to cogently persuade the masses to cheer and root for them. If this forum was filled by Kazakhs, or majority foreign/Eastern Europeans, they would vote for Golovkin, with the occasional few that believe in the American fighters due to the hype generated.

1)There is absolutely NO evidence Toney would beat Golovkin, unless it was possible to render this match up.

2) There is no evidence Golovkin would NOT have beaten all of Toney's middleweight opposition.

3) Drug testing in boxing was POOR, if Toney was found to have been doping in his later career, it is absolutely stupid to assume he did not take them earlier.

4) Polls do not prove anything, especially when the majority demographic on this forum are English speaking people, there will be a bias towards the hyped up American fighters, supported by Nostalgia.

5) Boxing rankings are HORRIBLY subjective, there is no science behind it, NONE. Hypothetical matchup's are subjective, the results are most likely going to be influenced by hype, nationalism and nostalgia.

6) Everything is opinion on the end of the day...... :hi: