James Toney vs Gennady Golovkin : at 160

It was not a proper KO in any form. Holyfield beat the count and was ready to continue. The Referee was letting him continue. Had nothing to do with Toney's supposed power. His heavyweight resume was a joke. He was outboxed by Sam freaking Peter for christ sakes. Twice :rofl

 

The biggest asset that toney was bringing into this fight was his size and reach. He is not a natural 160 lb fighter, his best weight would be cruiserweight as his enormous head indicates.

But even that being said, you have to ask yourselves: is Genady better than Dave Tiberi? If you answered "yes" then you know who to vote for.

 

No it wouldn't.

How the hell would beating Andy Lee, Miguel Cotto, (who's not even a proper MW) and Saul Alvarez, be more of an accomplishment than beating Nunn, Johnson and McCallum?

How on earth can you say that Toney fought in a weak MW division?

This current era is much weaker. There's no comparison between the early 90's and today.

Have you bumped your head or something?

 

:good

 

Well Holyfield's corner didn't think he should continue, it would take some kind of punching power to do that.

Toney was a former MW.. Just being able to put on weight and compete with the big boys says a lot about his skill level IMO. It is also arguable that he got Rahman to quit.

 

IIRC, Holyfield's corner threw in the towel. That IS a "proper" KO you drooling idiot.

 

So what if he never unified?

He had great wins at MW, SMW, CW and HW.

It's great to unify a division, but it all depends on the circumstances.

Let's say that GGG eventually unifies the MW division.

It may appear to be a better accomplishment on paper, but IMO, it wouldn't be better than beating Nunn, Johnson and McCallum etc.

But the problem with you, is that you chop and change your criteria to suit. You're never objective towards all fighters. Because you give Roy zero credit for winning a portion of the HW title, because you don't rate Ruiz. Many a time I've said that it was a great achievement for him to go from JMW-HW, and you have argued otherwise. I said that Roy was the first former MW title holder to win a version of the HW title in 108 years. Yet you weren't impressed. I told you that he made history by dropping back and reclaiming the LlHW titles, but again you weren't impressed. You were basically arguing that you didn't care about historical stats, because the most important thing to you is who a fighter fights, not what they win.

Yet here you are, talking about Toney not unifying, and hoping that GGG will.

 

His biggest asset would have been his skill set.

His best weight was never at CW, he just had no discipline.

There's probably lots of fighters who you could name who you'd fancy to beat Tiberi, but it wouldn't mean they'd beat Toney.

This hypothetical fight is based on both guys being at their absolute best, fighting to their full capabilities.

Any fighter who fought once every few months would have an off night. It happened to Eubank and many others. Nobody should be voting for GGG, just because they think he was better than Tiberi.

 

Toney beat Michael Nunn for the LINEAL 160lb title, beat Iran Barkley for the IBF 168lb title, beat Jirov for the IBF CW title and then KO'ed a legitimate ATG HW in Evander Holyfield.

Those four wins take a HUGE dump on anything the Triple Duck has done or ever will do in his career...

 

Of course.

Then you also have wins over Reggie Johnson and an early knockout win over Tim Littles, who was a good fighter who'd beaten Frankie Liles.

 

Silly comparison.:roll: toney a different fighter at middleweight, more speed, more combinations, more foot movement.

How you think GGG would do at 190 against jirov??:think

 

Silly argument.Mythical comparisons only make sense when fighters are at their best.That was Toney against Mc Callum I and II.

Toney was at his worst against Tiberi.A lot of guys would have beaten that weight drained version of Toney.Nice try buddy :hi:

 

Toney at 160 was a drained stick figure with a comically large head. He did not belong at that weight, and having to drain himself to make it took a toll on his health. He even struggled with 168, if you remember. Yes, his discipline was lacking, but he wasn't a small guy bloating to a cruiser. He was a light heavyweight draining himself to be a middleweight.

I picked Tiberi as an obvious example of an average fighter beating Toney at 160. Say what you must, but that wasn't Toney's only questionable performance at that weight, whereas Genady has shown consistent domination over guys of Tiberi's skill level. And last I checked, Genady fights very often as well.

 

Would you say Mccallum was at his best against Toney?

 

Yes with PED's which are ILLEGAL. :rofl

I seriously think Toney was addicted to steroids and he was using them for a very long time which is why his body rebounded into a fat slob when he finally had to stop because his testosterone axis was all out of whack. He has a huge cloud on his career because of that.