James Toney vs Joe Calzaghe.

That wasnt the only question, but yes you ducked a question because the answer may not have suited your agenda :smoke, which shows that you are bias.

 

so you admitting your question was shyte then bailey, tats a new tune from you.
imperial is taking you apart bit by bit.

 

What agenda Toney is better than. Joe fact !


Based on resume and skills !

 

bailey,

I'm currently debating in 6/7 threads.

So I'll be very brief.


Joe's wins over Hopkins and Kessler, were not better wins than Toney's wins over Mike and Nunn.

If you don't think Toney won, that's your opinion.

I don't think Joe beat Hopkins.

But they're both wins.

Both Nunn and Mike were on another level to Kessler.

 

WTF is wrong with you?

Whether you believe Calzaghe was in his prime against Kessler, I do not care. In my view, prime Toney beats every version of Calzaghe. :deal

You also argued that Toney's best wins came at middleweight. Actually Toney was the better supermiddleweight. As a middleweight Toney was oftentimes weight drained. So again WTF is your point?


As far as resume wise, it is obvious Toney has the better names on his resume (Johnson, barkley, Nunn, Mc Callum, Prince Williams).
However, Calzaghe has the better longevity and consistency in those divisions.Again, that is a different subject.:hat

Anyway, it is a waste of time to argue with you.

 

I agree. It seems a waste of time to argue with the other guy though.

 

He'd argue in an empty house.

 

SMW resume or LHW resume?

 

I understand you are spread thin and will keep it short also.
I asked you questions about the results, so stop trying to wash over that.
Beating Hopkins was a better win. You know that

 

And win :deal

 

Blade, I always welcome honest debate, but very few on here know the division before Lacy and comment when they havent a clue

 

I've looked at the wins from all angles.

Beating Hopkins wasn't better than beating a prime Nunn, or Mike McCallum.

Neither was beating Kessler.

 

OK. Nunn was beaten at MW. What top natural MWs had he beaten? He was a MW title holder like Kessler was a SMW title holder. Kessler was beating better SMWs than Nunn. Tate could be argued as Nunns best win.
McCallum was a good win, but I dont rate it higher than one of the best MWs and a top LHW who was considered champ and who went on after to win WBC, WBA, IBF LHW titles and become champ again

Edit -
Still you are commenting on Toney at MW, and Calzaghe only fought at SMW and LHW, so pointless and stick to Toney at SMW or LHW where his form can be assessed. Look at the J Taylor example.
Also please answer the previous question?

 

I'm sure that you could find a way to convince someone, that black was white.

 

Both !


As he clearly had success from middle all the way to HW !