James Toney vs Kalambay

I agree, but I don't think the bout would be particularly close to be honest. I think Kalambay's style would be absolute hell for Toney, who was at his worst when forced to pressure.

 

I'm a Toney fan...but.
Kalambay has the style to beat him. Kalambay's movement would give anyone trouble who doesn't have the footspeed to close on him, or cut him off effectively.

 

He did pretty well against a better version of Kalambay in Nunn, who himself smashed Kalambay in 1

He also did well enough against McCallum who went 1-1 with Kalambay.

 

Thought McCallum beat Toney both times tbh.

 

Nunn and Kalambay were nothing alike technically.

Nunn and Graham are more comparable from that era.Both ali influenced defensively etc..

 

As has been said, Nunn was nothing like Kalambay at all technically, nor was he better prime for prime IMO. And I've given my thoughts on their bout, I consider it a fluke.

McCallum (who was better at pressing fights generally) got schooled in a one-sided boxing display in their first bout, and was able to beat a Kalambay post-Nunn in a close bout in the rematch where Kalambay was clearly not the same, nor would he ever be the same again.

 

Toney throughout his career has never been particularly convincing against mobile boxer types who could force him to lead and come forward which wasn`t natural for James who was most comfortable in the role of counterpuncher. I think a prime Kalambay would have beaten James at his own game of defence and counterpunching all night long.

Toney`s limited footwork and tendency to only use his jab occasionally to disrupt rhythm and not to score points with would cost him against a fighter as good as Kalambay who will likely be making Toney do the chasing. James really doesn`t have the kind of offensive output either that should lead him to be favoured over one of the middleweight divisions best pure boxers and defensive fighters in Kalambay. I think Kalambay would win a decision in a fight in which he makes Toney look very ordinary.

 

I can't see Toney beating Giardello, Griffith, archer and most other A level pure boxers either to be honest.They would all outpoint him more often than not.

The thing that really seperates him from those other fighters for me is as you say bull, the left-hand work; specifically points scoring with the jab.

For all his ability in the defence and counterpunching areas, his lack of one will give him severe issues against the other really good defensive fighters that could operate far more effectively as classic jabbers as well.

Toney is much better suited to aggressive fighters and more traditional offensive minded box-fighters.

 

I'd make Kalambay a clear favourite. Toney would probably get a gift wrapped decision then say he won clearly.

 

Well both Nunn and Kalambay both liked to use range and jab. Obviously he hasnt been in with someone identicle to Kalambay but. There was no fluke about Nunn's KO of Kalambay, Kalambay was open to the southpaw straight left and ate it flush after being outjabbed for the beggining of the round. This was a technical exposure. The fact Kalambay ate a shot like that shows holes in his defense. Toney exploits these holes for a late KO

 

Giardello, Griffith, Archer havent got anything Toney hasn't seen and dealt with in abundance throughout his career. He beats them all handily

What are you talking about Toney has an excellent jab, he just isnt reliant on it like some of these fighters are and if you can land lead rights without a jab you throw accordingly. As he slips there jabs, which he undoubtadly does, he moves into mid range and takes them apart with compact counters and crisp shots time and again

 

Actually one of the more notable things about Kalambay's fight with kalule is the way he takes away his straight left, which for Kalule was a brilliant techniaclly perfect non-telegraphed shot.

he was hit with hardly any straight lefts against Graham either in their fight, another fighter who had an excellent sneak lead.

There isn't any rocket science or technical exposure bull**** to a fight like kalambya vs nunn.he simply got caught cold early by a great shot and slightly mistanticipated the distance etc...a slight mistake that does not usually result in getting completely wrecked, especially by a guy like Nunn who usually didn't have one punch KO power other than in his uppercuts.

besides that's just stupid a thing to say regarding a fight with an orthodox fighter, re. defensive holes against a southpaw.

Fair enough if you pick Toney anyway.I like James too.

it end to think with some of these points you make and especially in that locche judah thread, you are just trying to be deliberately contrarian.

 

Nunn was a more free-flowing, careless fighter rather than a pure technician like Kalambay. Aside from his flukey KO loss to Nunn, he never showed lazy vulnerabilities like Nunn did. Their styles were nothing alike.

It means he got caught with a big shot, a one in a hundred shot the way I see it, as it was a freak occurence on the part of both fighters. Nunn was never known as a one punch knockout artist whereas Kalambay was known as one of the slickest defensive masters of the era.

Toney exploited the holes of defensively inept in-fighters (aside from the rare occasion like the Nunn KO when he was behind on points, just as much because of Nunn's carelessness as anything), not technically fine-tuned out-boxers and movers like Kalambay. And since when did Toney ever have a strong "southpaw straight left" as you claim Kalambay was so open to?