James Toney vs Mike Tyson

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  1. heizenberg

    heizenberg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How do you guys think a fight between the Mike Tyson who went up against Lennox Lewis in 2002 vs the James Toney who beat a washed up Evander Holyfield. Certainly an irrelevant fight as far as history in speculating upon top ten heavyweights but a fun match up to picture and yes I know a prime Mike Tyson would eat a heavyweight James Toney alive anyday so I don't want to here people ramble on about that.
     
  2. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not really sure why this fight would be appealing to you? My guess the Tyson of 2002, would stop the Toney of 2003.

    I would also take the Tyson of 2002, to stop the Toney of 2002 off of the 2 Ruiz fights....In place of Tyson vs Lewis and Toney vs Rahman

    However I would Take Toney of Holyfield to outpoint or stop the Tyson of the Danny Williams timeframe?

    For whatever it is worth
     
  3. StGeorge

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    Tyson would of stopped him, far to much for Toney
     
  4. clark

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  5. Waynegrade

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    Good thing none of them met the Hayemaker !!!
     
  6. SILVER SKULL 66

    SILVER SKULL 66 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I would favor Mike, but wouldn't bet on it, as long as he kept his cool and didn't have a temper tantrum, or get dq,d I think he would win a decision..
     
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  8. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tyson-Nielsen all over again.
     
  9. stevo1966

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    Toney always wanted Tyson, even as a MW he promised he would be HW champion. I just think even a half-speed, half-motivated Tyson is too brutal. Toney had great skills and I would have liked to see him more at Cruiser and Heavy.
     
  10. xRedx

    xRedx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Toney would toy with Tyson the entire fight, the same way he did with Holyfield. People dont understand how much Tyson deteriorated by 2000's. Toney still had good boxing skills and was a sharp counter puncher.
     
  11. AnthonyJ74

    AnthonyJ74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They are both about the same height, so neither guy would have to reach for the other.
    Toney beats the McBride version of Tyson -- that Tyson was a walking junkie!

    Oh, and I would have loved to have seen the trash talking before the fight, as well as the prefight staredown.

    Win or lose -- Tyson would not be able to intimidate Toney.
     
  12. TheSouthpaw

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    Because Toney is waaaaaay overrated...Tyson would destroy his ass and thats that!..Dont really see James makin it out of the 1st round...:good
     
  13. tennis

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    2002 Tyson is a washed up bum

    Toney is way more skilled

    No chance Tyson lands clean, and even if he did... So what, toney never got kod in his career, he packs a granite beard

    Tyson in the 2000s doesn't have the stamina to work him either

    He'd get picked apart by an old stool warrior like toney

    Now an 87 Tyson beats toney by a wide UD
    Still doesn't ok him
    Toney too smart for that
    But that version of Tyson could beat almost anyone on a good night
     
  14. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Anybody think for a nanosecond Tyson is bothering to get himself in anything other than half assed shape for the fight? That's why he loses. What would the over under be on jogging miles for Tyson here---5 miles total?

    He would not prepare whatsoever for a guy like Toney. He'd think there was no way a middleweight would beat him. He'd do everything but train properly. But James would get himself 100% prepared--just like he did for Commander Vander. He'd be the guy doing his homework.

    I think tyson gets DQ'd in about 5 or 7 rounds once this guy isn't stopped and he's breathing heavy and realizes this guy isn't going anywhere. And he'd sart getting countered to death with those quick Toney combos. He wouldn't get hurt with them but his reaction would be to foul.

    I wanted to see the bout. At that stage of the game, I wanted to see if mike could break a guy down to go on his way to winning a fight. not Julius Francis stuff but an opponent that he was going to have to find a way to solve. I just think he'd underestimate a guy like toney and show up in horrible shape. And lose.
     
  15. heizenberg

    heizenberg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thanks to everyone who gave good responses. Personally I favor Toney in this match up. Toney IMO is one of the most underrated talents in boxing history and even though his best days were at middleweight and super middleweight I still feel he was an excellent cruiserweight and a good heavyweight. Tyson at this time was very dangerous in the first 1-2-3-4 rounds but after that he didn't seem to have much. His skills were not nearly as sharp as they were in his prime or even a few years earlier and his passion for boxing seemed to be gone.

    I feel the first four rounds would be close. Toney would likely lay against the ropes and counter punch effectively while Tyson would stay on him and unleash some big flurries which Toney for the most part would whether. I feel Toney would be playing a lot of defense and would absorb most of Tyson's combo's only getting knocked off balance a couple times. Throughout the early rounds I see Toney opening up with crisp combinations when the chance presented itself and landing cleanly on Tyson. I think they'd likely split the first four rounds but after that I see Tyson slowing down and Toney taking command. Tyson even in his prime didn't often keep an incredibly high workrate and certainly after his prime didn't seem capable of doing so therefor I feel he would slow big time after fighting with Toney on the inside for the first few rounds, taking some good body punches from Toney and his punches would lose a lot of steam. Once this happens I'd expect Toney who'd still likely do a lot of his fighting from off the ropes to open up with more combinations and land crisps to both the body and head of Tyson. Eventually as the fight goes on I wouldn't be surprised to see Toney in complete command of a faded Tyson who may even end up getting backed up from the clean crisp combination punching of Toney. Late in the fight I'd expect Tyson much like in the Lewis fight to just be looking to land one big bomb and Toney would have no problem avoding and weathering these one punch bursts from Tyson and continue to bang away with good clean punches. It wouldn't surprise to see Tyson get broken down by Toney and eventually hit the canvas maybe even by choice. Tyson proved in the Lewis fight to be fairly durable even at this point his career so perhaps he could make the distance but it would be a clear decision for Toney. I'm confident in saying I feel if this fight would've happened at this stage in there careers a motivated Toney would have no problem in dominating a faded Tyson. Tyson's only chance as it was against pretty well any top fighter at this stage in his career would be to catch Toney early and Toney was an extremely difficult person to knock out.