James Toney vs. Rocky Marciano/Evander Holyfield

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  1. Garrus

    Garrus Big Boss 1935-2014 Full Member

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    The Cruiserweight version of Toney.

    Can he beat either?
     
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  3. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Marciano would've been all wrong for Toney. Stronger, punched harder, extremely physical, didn't care where he landed, able to maintain a high workrate and not discouraged by hard counter shots. Marciano would either win a decision or stop Toney late.

    Holyfield would've been too crisp and too good at what he did for James to handle.

    Toney was a great fighter, but he wouldn't be able to hang with ATG heavyweights, even the smaller ones who could've, or did fight at cruiserweight.
     
  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    No

    They sorted out the details of their game, and he didn't.

    That is what it turns on.
     
  5. Bobo

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    Prime Holyfield boxes the **** out of Toney, putting it on Toney by mixing it up to the body and head, jabbing, moving. The 217lb Toney in 2003 survives every round with all his savvy. A 230lb+ flabby Toney from the Rahman fight may just get stopped in my opinion.

    With Marciano, it's a harder fight to envision. If we want to be fair, we'd put the Toney that beat Jirov in with Marciano, rather than the Toney that beat Holyfield. I think it comes down to how Toney takes Marciano's punches at that weight, added on to the fact that Rocky was skillfully relentless. I say a 188lb Toney loses to Rocky, because of his sheer strength, will, power, relentlessness, conditioning and underrated skill. However, the 217lb Toney was dramatically bigger and from my eyes looked plain better than the 188lb guy that beat Jirov. He honestly looked as sharp as ever against Holyfield. Toney beats Marciano at 217lbs, but in a fair fight at 188lbs, loses. But to be clear, a totally in-shape Toney gives ANYONE a fight, cruiser or heavyweight (except of course guys like Holmes and Ali).

    Don't bull**** yourselves and say Joe Louis would mop the floor with Toney like just another "bum of the month." The ****ers chin and stand right-in-front-of-you skills are among the very best ever.
     
  6. TheSouthpaw

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    Marciano and Evander would have dismantled James Toney..I mean cmon dude are you for real with this question, cause if you are take it to the General Forum you'll get a better response there!!..But thats some dumb **** my man...