James Toney vs some Atg middleweights

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  1. Greb & Papke 707

    Greb & Papke 707 Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day Full Member

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    I’m curious as to your thoughts on how James Toney was as a middleweight and how he would do against some of the GOATS of the division;
    Toney vs Lamotta
    Toney vs Zale
    Toney vs Haggler
    Tony vs Monzon
    Tony vs Ketchel
    Tony vs Greb ( do your best with no footage)

    Let’s make these all 12 round fights at each fighters absolute peak.
     
  2. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Toney UD LaMotta (might change if it's 15)

    Toney UD Zale

    Hagler and Monzon both UD Toney

    Toney UD's Ketchel but Ketchel has a puncher's chance

    Greb clearly UD's Toney, with his face looking like a raw steak after


    Upon responding to this thread, I realize just how many granite chins the Middleweight division has.
     
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  3. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Toney loses to Hopkins Hagler and Monzon I will refrain from Greb because I can’t envision him at all.

    I would pick Toney over Zale and Ketchel (not sure I have seen prime footage)

    Call Lamotta a draw for me

    2-3-1 swapping Hopkins in and Greb out
     
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  4. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Youngest Ezzard Charles Fan Ever Full Member

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    I can't comment with conviction on Greb, but stylistically I'd favour his constant pressure over Toney, and pick him to win on points

    I'd say he beats the rest, accept Hagler, Ketchel and Monzon

    Monzon - I'd take him on points due to range and jab, Monzon UD
    Hagler - I'd pick his constant pressure and switch hitting to really hurt Toney at some point, and then finish him of, Hagler by TKO
    Ketchel, I love this man's skillset here, he'd bully, shove and thumb Toney, probably losing a point or two, but he'd land hand repeatedly and get a KO
     
  5. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Full Member

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    Toney UD LaMotta
    Toney pick em prime Zale
    Monzon decision Toney
    Hagler decision Toney
    Toney gives Ketchel a Barkley style beating
    Greb based on resume UD
     
  6. Big George

    Big George Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tony UD Jake
    Toney gets decisioned by Marvelous
    Toney SD over Monzon
    Ketchel decisions Toney ( Ketchel had that mid west style 1st )
    Toney KO's Iran
     
  7. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie booted Full Member

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    McCallum was a great body puncher but I feel LaMotta threw more body shots v Ray than Mike did v Toney and I feel he would have landed more body shots than Mike did as a result of this aggression, he would have landed more jabs than Mike did also for the same reason, he outjabbed Ray in their final fight before being knocked out after gassing after taking loads of right hooks to the body, both LaMotta and Toney will slip a lot of the other mans shots, but Toney was the bigger puncher, I don`t think he could have hurtt LaMotta however and this would be a big problem for Toney. Zales body shots were harder than Lamotta`s and would score well v Toney, I feel Toney would have had more success v Monzon because he was easy to counter with jabs as he jabbed, he stood too central after punching so I would favour Toney to beat him, but his movement would bother Toney because he didn`t cut the ring off Roy and let him dictate the pace of the fight with his movement setting traps as Toney just folowed him around. Hagler would have beat Toney.
     
  8. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Toney was not a ATG at middleweight,
    he loses to Hagler
    Monzon
    Ketchel
    Greb,
    he might decision LaMotta
    it's life and death with a prime Zale
     
  9. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Active Member Full Member

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    Difficult to confidently choose Toney against any of those tbh, he was so inconsistent during his MW days and even the fights he would win against ATG's it's likely the rounds would be so close that the end decision would be controversial. Only pick I'm confident on is he loses to Hagler.
     

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