James Toney vs Sugar Ray Robinson

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    1946 Ray Robinson vs 1994 James Toney....Prime Robinson will be giving up size by a good margin.
     
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  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Speed kills, and from what I've gathered, SRR was at least as quick as Jones and much more skilled. James would go the distance but he wouldn't know what hit him, size doesn't play much of a part imo.
    Also Toney was better in 91/92 imo.
     
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    TipNom Active Member Full Member

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  4. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Robinson UD, but wouldn't it be fairer to match him up with 160 Toney than 168 Toney?
     
  5. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Robinson imo. He'd get a unanimous decision and drop Toney along the way.
     
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  6. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    I see Robinson at his (middleweight) best winning a decision over the lackadaisical Toney, who would at this point sometimes only fight for 1 minute a round. It wouldn't be easy, but Robinson showed how he fought against a similar mover in Turpin, who was also physically stronger. It would be a varied, slightly different combination of the first and the rematch IMO.
     
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  7. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Yeah I suppose so...either or
     
  8. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    Robinson's superior speed and mobility would be the big factors here. He could keep Toney on the outside and box him for 15 rounds without too much trouble. Jones managed to do that against Toney and while I can't be sure that Robinson was as quick as Jones or as good an athlete, he was fundamentally better in terms of technique. Toney would spend a lot of the fight needing to reset. As has already been pointed out, Toney liked to take rests during rounds. That would cost him as he would need to apply continual intelligent pressure to make some headway. I don't think he could do that. Robinson by clear UD.
     
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  9. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I do not like the comparison to the Jones fight as Toney was not in shape there.That being said, I take Robinson by competitive decision.
     
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  10. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Yup but a tougher fight than many think. Toney was not just a great fighter but a defensive wiz with an amazing chin.
     
  11. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    Toney split decision
     
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  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    A new challenger has appeared.
     
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