James Toney vs. the best middleweights - super middle weights of the past 50 years, excluding active

Jesus Christ Mendoza, even the link you posted doesn't say he pointed his gun at anyone.

How do YOU know who he pointed his gun at?

I know who he pointed his gun at because a) I've read Toney's telling of the story b) i've read his manager's telling of the story c) i've read James Toney's mother's telling of the story d) i've read the link you've provided which completely backs MY telling of the story

Painting this as attempted murder is absolutely pathetically biased.

The fact that you refuse to answer the question and are behaving like an idiot provides the answer, this is all about Golovkin somehow. How ridiculous.

 

Right. We don't know who he pointed his gun at. You don't know. I don't know. Why are you so absolutely desperate to talk about it?

"I know a boxer and i bet he pointed his gun at someone. Why do you like him, he probably pointed his gun at someone?"

I'd say "get to the General Forum with that patter" but the fact is that is dramatically sub-General Forum patter.

There is absolutely no evidence he tried to carry out the killing.

But even if you genuinely think he did, his "crime" is far, far, far, far less stated than that of Muhammad Ali pointing a gun at Joe Frazier; Sonny Liston pointing a gun at Muhammad Ali; Teddy Atlas pointing a gun at Mike Tyson.

Only a complete idiot would arrive on the forum and start talking about any of the above men being charged with attempted murder. You've completely lost it.

And all because someone, somewhere on the forum has picked Toney to beat Golovkin.

 

I've provided WAY more than speculation. I've told you that everyone's story, from the victim to the perpetrator's story match and involve NOBODY pointing a gun at ANYBODY.

YOU then provided a newspaper article - which says absolutely nothing about anyone pointing a gun at anyone.

YOU have then engaged in absolutely base speculation that he "probably did it before" when it is absolutely plain that he didn't even do "it" this time.

Then accuse others of "nothing but speculation"

All because someone picked Toney to beat Golovkin.

 

What "police report"??? Are you crazy? You haven't SEEN the police report! You've fixated on ONE line in the Chicago Tribune:

"Boxer James Toney grabbed a gun and threatened to kill his manager two days after suffering his first professional loss"

While completely ignoring the following:

"but he did not follow through".

Unfortunately for you, this story is very well known, and while you're determined to dismiss all other existing information as "speculation", Donald McRae thoroughly investigated what occurred and everybody knows. Toney didn't actually even threaten his manager's life directly. Toney's manager was warned by Toney's own mother; Toney's manager called the police - Toney never even approached the house.

And you're on here babbling about "attempted murder" and "police reports"

ok - as long as you accept every primary source over your own opinion from now until the end of your life in a show of consistency, I'll accept this answer. Unfortunately, you are absolutely incapable of such objectivity as has been demonstrated for years here.

We've ALL threatened to kill someone, Toney never approached the house according to all testimony.

Wtf is wrong with you?? Where did I "pretend" all this? Show me.

You, and only you, were the one who brought up Toney's personality and likeability in this thread:

Toney was at thug like PED drug cheat with racy mouth. He once grabbed a gun and threatened to kill his manager. He sold drugs. Why exactly should anyone like him?

What you'd rather do is use any and all methods to personally smear this fighter because people were picking against Golovkin in another thread in favour of Toney and you have this weird desire to personally run down fighters that are diametrically opposed to your favourites. Think about that.