James Toney VS today's heavyweight Top 10?

AJ would miss most of his jabs because of Toney`s ability to slip shots.

 

He`s very sloppy though, Holy wa a sharper fighter than Hrgovic and still missed too many shots v the slippery Toney who was much faster than Zhang is.

 

Bowe punched harder than Toney.

 

I’m going off the top 10 linked in the beginning here. I’m not saying he can’t win, but highly unlikely in my opinion. But what do I know lol when it comes to boxing it seems I’m wrong more often than right, even as I watch it more and more which drives me crazy. My favorite thing about it you literally never know what’s gonna happen we’ve all seen done crazy and unlikely **** huh

 

In 2003 Wlad lost to Corrie Sanders by ko. In 2004 Wlad lost to Lamont Brewster by ko. To disregard the possibility of Toney beating him in 2003 sounds delusional.

Are you familiar with the boxer Kevin Johnson, this fellow is very well known for his multiple victories over top 10 heavyweight contenders, heavyweight champions, his legendary shoulder roll, footwork and craftsmanship. Or acctually he isn't, he's just some rugged guy that was once regarded as a top 30 heavyweight without ever acctually having beat one. Well.... if you look at his fight vs Vitali then you have to ask yourself.... what would a 2003 Toney have done to that underskilled, oversized pile of bones? Perhaps he would have had similar success as another elusive heavyweight called Chris Byrd?

You say something as one of James Toney's biggest fans and yet you are more of a Klitschko fan.

 

I know who Wlad lost to. I was around back then. I lived through the era.

Again, Wlad was very vulnerable back then. But he was also far more aggressive and offensive.

In terms of ability, and a P4P ranking, of course James was better than both Sanders and Brewster. But that would have been irrelevant.

The only thing relevant, would have been how they’d have matched up on the night stylistically.

Corrie Sanders was a 6’4 southpaw, who had fast hands and great power. He was also very aggressive. So he could fight Wlad in a way that James couldn’t.

The same applies to Brewster.

James had great technical skills, but nothing to keep a young, aggressive Wlad off of him.

Sure, he could have won. But Wlad would have been a significant favourite.


Yes, I know who Kingpin is. But Vitali would also have been a significant favourite over James. And regarding the Byrd fight, James didn’t possess Byrd’s movement, and Byrd lost about every round to Vitali before Vitali quit. Vitali also had surgery the following week.

Saying that Vitali couldn’t have landed a glove on James, is completely ridiculous.

Both brothers would have been significant favourites over James.


No, I’m not a fan of theirs. Yes, I am a huge fan of James. But James was at his peak at MW in the late 90’s.

He was grossly out of shape at HW, where he got by on pure ability. And that was a testament to his great skills. But he didn’t do anything for anyone to have made him a significant favourite over both of the Klitschko brothers.

 

I read that and I can't help but think "The only thing relevant is that this guy is a huge Klitschko fan."

Next thing that comes to my mind is " James had great technical skills, but nothing to keep hard hitting Holyfield and Ruiz off of him.

Sure, he could have won. But Holyfield and Ruiz would have been a significant favourites."

You look at the Kevin Johnson fight, lord Vitali was pathetic, mfer would probably have twisted his ankle, broken a knee or a hand trying to hit James.

 

I’m not sure if I’m being trolled here.


Why do you keep saying that I’m a huge Klitschko fan?

If I was, I’d tell you.

I don’t have to withhold anything.

I don’t even know you.


What has fighting Evander and Ruiz have to do with fighting a Klitschko??


Again, Corrie Sanders was a 6’4 southpaw, with very fast hands, a very aggressive style, and huge power.

Brewster was also bigger than Toney, with much more power.

Toney was a more skilled technician than Wlad.

But this is about styles.

Wlad was very offensive and aggressive when he was younger, before he worked with Manny.

That would have been a very bad match up for Toney in 2003.


Kingpin was a durable HW who survived Vitali.

So what?

That means that Vitali couldn’t have landed a glove on James?

That’s your only evidence?


Come back when you have both something realistic, and something of relevance to say.

 

Maybe you should look at Vitali vs Kevin a second time. Or well I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy but since you don't get it maybe you need to watch that filth.

Brewster and Sanders had more power than Toney but Toney was harder to hit, better at countering etc.

But nah, I'll just agree with you, Vitali who couldn't land a glove on Kevin Johnson would have been all over James and it's unthinkable that someone who ko'ed Holyfield in 2003 would have beaten a fighter who was koed in both 2003 and 2004. There, you are right and I am wrong. Congratulations.

 

WTF?

Kingpin is over 6ft with a huge reach.

He survived the distance with Vitali.

Great.

But he never came close to winning.

So what would James have done?

How would he have beaten Vitali?

He wasn’t knocking him out.

How would he have beaten Vitali on a decision?

With what offense??

You’re trying to use a guy surviving as evidence??


How would James have dealt with a young, offensive and aggressive version of Wladimir?

How would he have beaten him exactly?

Sure, he could have made it awkward.

But what would he have done offensively to have won the fight??

 

I'd take the Toney from the Rydell Booker fight over any active heavyweight other than Fury and Usyk

 

WTF

Kevin Johnson is only 6"3. You ask about what James Toney could have done offensively. What could your darling Vitali have done offensively vs James Toney? Hit the air all night like he did vs Kevin? Man had no tools to connect with anything on James Toney.

You really need to watch that pathetic fight. You obviously just don't understand.

As for Wladimir, that's a much harder fight for James really, but to dismiss the possibility that James Toney who knocked out Holyfield in 2003 wouldn't have been able to beat a fighter who got himself koed both in 2003 and 2004. It's insane.

Edit: While you are at it take another look at Holy vs Toney.

 

My darling Vitali?

SMH.


Why are you so obsessed with the Johnson fight?

He SURVIVED.

Amazing.

Johnson was 6’3 with a HUGE 82” reach.

Toney was 5’10 with a 72” reach.

So what if he got a TKO over a faded Evander?

He wasn’t beating Vitali.

He obviously wasn’t knocking him out.

He wasn’t going to outbox him.


So what if Wlad got knocked out?

Again, not by anybody who had James’ style and attributes.

You referenced Chris Byrd the other day.

Yet Byrd was ran over by Wlad and lost nearly every round to Vitali, before Vitali had to withdraw.

Byrd was also more elusive than James at HW.


Why on earth do I need to watch the Evander and Johnson fights?

What would they possibly tell me?

A faded Evander isn’t the same as a young Wlad or a prime Vitali.


Why are you persisting with this nonsense?

Go and start a thread.

Do a poll.

Let’s see what everyone else thinks.

 

I care sooo much what some idiots think.

You must be blind and it's not possible that you ever stepped into a boxing ring. Watch the fights brother, you can come talk to me after that.

 

Time for me to move along.

You’ve obviously got some issues which need addressing.