James Toney: Wilder is a Failure

Holy cow , i agree on every word with you but you are confusing the threads . The usyk thread is somewhere else !

 

Some of Wilders defenses were nonsense but he was still a HW champion. Meanwhile when you look at Toneys HW resume it clearly says "NC" which means "Not champion".

 

Toney is right but he also talks a bunch of **** and is insanely biased at times. Not long ago said Usyk hasnt fought anybody and needed to prove himself vs Jared Anderson for ****s sake

 

That was my first thought when I read this thread title “James Toney has been calling literally everyone a bum for as long as I can remember…”

 

Usyks resume is certainly short (at heavy) but he still cleaned out the two guys who'd beaten everyone of note in the division between them - and twice each at that...

Usyks heavyweight resume is short, but sweet.
Wilders resume is long, but mediocre.


Some of the GOAT conversations around Usyk are overblown for sure given how short his resume is (and how weak the era is) but I can see why some would want to make the case...

Equally, discussion around Wilder as any kind of ATG is also overblown - he hasn't got anywhere near the resume for that.

 

Not sure anyone has said it better?........... This was said by a lot of fans for years, especially after the first Ortiz fight. It simply went on death ears because so many PBC/Wilder fans labeled the assessment as "hating" because he was explosive vs all of those lower level fighters.

What James Toney said is nothing new to anyone who is an actual boxing fan. Not just a man fan. I personally pointed out that Wilder had 40+ fights and only fought one world champion in Bermane Stiverne. Then fought him again 2 years later with Stiverne coming off the couch. I also pointed out that Wilder should have gotten his first loss vs Ortiz in their first fight. I believe it was round 9 in which Wilder was on Bambi legs for 45 seconds straight. Only thing that kept him from falling to the campus was the ropes and his leaning on Luis Ortiz. EVERYONE ELSE in the sport would have gotten a stoppage right there as Wilder couldn't defend himself from nothing for almost a minute, yet that referee went out his way not to step in and stop the fight allowing Wilder to crawl to his corner.

It's the main reason why Wilder use to say 'everyone had to be great for an entire fight, I only have to be great for a moment'. Wilder didn't respect the sweet science and his ignorant followers had the same mindset, which is why they whole hearted felt that Wilder deserved to win the first Fury fight off the 2 knockdowns, regardless of the fact that Wilder didn't land anything else for the remainder of those 12 rounds. It's the reason why in the rematch, they went out their way to discredit Fury and throw cheating claims in the cyber world because they refused to believe Fury had the power to do what he did to Wilder. Wilder fired his trainer after the fight for doing his job and stopping the punishment.... How delusional was that. Only for Wilder to get the same treatment in the 3rd fight under his new trainer who had him up at 3am making 'music videos' in training camp..... (not sure if you seen that video with them dancing in the ring chanting "While they sleep, We fight".......lol)

People actually tried to claim Wilder to be greater than Tyson & Holyfield at one point. Wilder's career is laughable, not because of his resume, just the delusion surrounding his self proclaimed greatness & his minions that pushed the notion.

 

The very definition of what being successful is and the exact opposite of being a failure.

 

Sure, you could even say that achievements/belts and money are success...
Whilst resume, quality of opponents and legacy in general are what makes for greatness.

It's possible to be successful without being a great of the sport - and I'd say that's definitely the case with Wilder - I'm sure we could all think of plenty of other examples of this, too.

 

Clearly you don't see Wilder as a failure then and rightly so. With very little he achieved a lot and made a fortune.

 

No, he's not a failure - he'll retire rich.

He's a million miles from being a great, though.

 

He would have lost to Joe.

 

He sure wasn't keen to find out, was he. The WBO belt was not considered legitimate on the world stage when Calslappy spent a decade defending it in Wales.

 

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/lacy-vs-calzaghe-pundits-picks.584162/page-2
JAMES TONEY SAID:
Joe Calzaghe-Jeff Lacy is a mismatch. Lacy is going to destroy that boy. He's too strong, he's a fighter - he's proved himself.




When Calzaghe utterly destroyed Lacy he was the man at 168, and held all the belts.


Toney could not have dealt with Calzaghe's workmate.

 

So Calslappy beat a prospect who had done nothing and went on to do nothing.

That means he beats James Toney? Is that what you're saying?

 

You don't appear to know very much about boxing, slyk.

At least not much about the 168 lb division of twenty years ago.