James Toneys resume is better than Hopkins

He should of won both Mccallum fights imo

 

He really should have a win over JCC. Terrible decision.

The major difference is that Pernell had a successful career fighting naturally bigger opponents

 

Kind of frightening to think that Roy Jones Jr handled both of them with relative ease.

 

I agree but I think Hopkins won both fights against Taylor but they're still down as L's on his record just like the D on Whitakers record.

Hopkins spent an odd 13 years fighting at MW, when you spend that long in a single division chances are you will come across lots of fighters moving up and naturally those moving up tend to be naturally smaller men, makes no difference if they're smaller or bigger aslong as they've got the ability to compete at that level.

 

Even IF you score those fights to Hopkins they wouldn't really enhance his resume especially with the way Taylor's career ended up playing out.

On the flip side Pernell should have a win over solid ATG, which is an amazing win

Tito was solid, but not great at mw
Oscar simply was not very good

I doubt if Pavlik would of achieved anything at lhw if he insisted on staying there

 

if i might add some thoughts to the great points made already:

i have never ever found myself looking back at hopkins highlights in awe of how good he was. sure he was crafty, had all the basics and knew how to execute a game plan. he know how to box or scrap.


but when tony was on his game, he was so pretty. he was probably one of the greatest fighters to ever fight out of the philly shell, and one of the greatest counterpunchers ever. what is bernard known for?


head 2 head they are equal bc of bernards longetivity in the biz. you got to respect bernard, but tonys best is greater than hopkins best.

 

You're being naive if you consider Trinidad to be a natural welter at that point in his career, he had effortlessly made the transition to 154 and then 160 by that point because of his struggles to keep at the 147 limit.

 

Hopkins was sweating down to 160 instead of moving up and fighting bigger and better foes, unlike his contemporaries Toney and Jones. IT's a stain when most of his best wins are against smaller guys. He dominated a **** poor division. and that's the highlight of his career. I do give him credit, because dominating bad comp isn't all that easy. He's not a P4P talent like Toney or Jones though. He's an ATG MW.

 

He didn't throw any ****ing punches in the Taylor fights. He deserved both losses for terrible performances.


He shouldn't have gotten the nod against Pascal the first time, and the 2nd time was razor close.

He's not getting robbed. He's just not doing enough to win fights. Too safety first and too predictable.

 

Agreed, Toney's heavyweight run can not be so easily dismissed.

Stepping up as a 5ft 10 middleweight in his mid to late 30's to take on top heavyweights deserves credit in my book.

 

How many times has Holyfield tested postive for steroids?

atsch@ BS line about 'sweting down to 160' if he was sweating down to make 160 how did he manage to come in at 156lb against Oscar at age 39? truth is he took the sport seriously and had discipline unlike fat steroid abusing slob James Toney. Hopkins made the 160lb limit for 13 years never once coming in over the limit the only time he had trouble making weight was towards the end of his MW run yet according to you for those 13 years he was 'sweating down' to make 160lb

Yes because boxing is all about throwing endless punches even if you don't connect :nut the truth of the matter is you (Jones fan) and the TS (Toney fan) are bitter that a fighter who's from the same era as both men (Jones/Toney) is still performing at en elite level even now at age 48 breaking records and showing what you can do when (you don't juice and) take the sport seriously while Roy Jones is reduced to rapping for cash and getting humiliated by getting knocked the **** out by bums and James Toney is left a blubbering mess still calling out the Klit brothers while weighing close to 300lb

 

People forget how amazing James was in the early 90's. He really was something special.

 

Yep, something of a throwback, even more so than Bernard.

But I believe that Toney was also a decent light heavyweight. Got robbed twice against Griffin, otherwise he would have also been champ in that division