Janitors ten most historicaly important British fighters and a bit about each of them

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Glad to please.
     
  2. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I really like the Benn/Fitz angle and I will admit I have crossed from side to side on this issue. Fitz was a born puncher of the likes that were never really surpassed. No, Benn did not hit as hard and he was known to commit to his punchers in much the same way those in the Fitz' era did. I will also add that Benn had a notoriously brutal training schedule. He was a former RAF guy and never flinched at pain.
     
  3. janitor

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    We can speculate untill the cows come home, who would have won between Fitzsimmons and Benn.

    The facts are that Fitzsimmons was the first ever three division champion and Benn was a footnote in his own era.

    Who had the bigger historical impact?
     
  4. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Was Daniel Mendoza of Italian/Spanish Descent? I've never seen/heard a british with that name, :huh.
     
  5. janitor

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    He was of Spanish descent, and a jew.

    With the inquisition and other factors jews had a hard time in Spain.

    We British got many of them to our general advantage.

    They were mostly productive.
     
  6. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks for answering :good.
    wow, i never knew you were british :good.
    respect.
     
  7. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I want to know what makes Calzaghe more historically important than someone like Jackie Kid Berg, Owen Moran, Ted Kid Lewis, Freddie Welsh or Jim Driscoll.

    Cleaning out 168 (which he didn't even do) and beating an ancient Hopkins is not historically significant. Pretty much the only reason Joe gets on this list is because he still has his '0', but I don't see that as all that important.
     
  8. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And an ancient eubank, :good.
     
  9. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Too right.
     
  10. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mace helped invent the first points system, he did not invent it. But Mace probably did invent the Jab as an offensive weapon, as well as the uppercut.

    Eubank and Benn probably did get more press than Mace. Mace was big in Australia and the USA but very much under-appreciated in Britain.

    Also like I stated previously, for your criteria for the list to work, Dick Turpin needs to be there IMO.
     
  11. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The two children in my avatar invented the jab 3500 years ago.:good
     
  12. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  13. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You maybe right, I do not have that stuff switched on.

    Just to clarify, Mace was the first to put a bit of science behind the tactic of using a straight left to damage an opponents eye.

    If that makes any sense!:oops:
     
  14. janitor

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  15. janitor

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    Remember this is "historical importance" not greatness. Jem Driscoll was one of the greatest fighters that ever lived but his actual historical impact was minimal.

    Calzaghe was the first fighter to unify the supermiddleweight division and he established himself as a ring magazine champion in two weight classes. He also has a lot of longevity. Whether or not these acomplishments make him great they they meet the criteria for this thread.

    Writing the profiles has focused my mind a bit and one guy I might put in if I did it again is Ted Kid Lewis.