January Top 100 PBO Rankings in all 17 divisions

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  1. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  2. SnatchBox

    SnatchBox Boxing Full Member

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    How can one have Whyte ranked higher than Breazele?? That fight needs to happen, I got DB2.0
     
  3. FrancescoD

    FrancescoD Active Member Full Member

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    Whyte has beaten very slightly better opponents than Breazelle at this stage.
     
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  4. ipitythefool

    ipitythefool Prediction ? Pain Full Member

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    From a quick scan it looks quite a good set of rankings.
     
  5. SnatchBox

    SnatchBox Boxing Full Member

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    Who's better than Mansour and Ugohnoh on Whyte's resume? Breazele better resume and lasted longer/didn't get KO'd unconscious vs AJ.

    Also he beat an undefeated Cuban guy
     
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  6. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Its not biased, mainly because its not a governing body & its working without financial pressure, this ranking system seems to have more knowledge about certain boxers. Knowing a boxer from 0-0 makes him automatically a better boxer than a less familiar boxer with equal abilities.

    Its very difficult to make a completely unbiased ranking, in general the ranking will reflect the personality of the man behind the ranking, the decision to standardize any formula is also hard, because all of a sudden subjectively unacceptable names start moving up. When that happens the formula gets re-adjusted or the unwanted names manually pushed down.
     
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  7. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    bingo!
     
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  8. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Even the most biased -educated fan- can make a better rating system than the 4 governing bodies, for a simple reason

    The biased educated fan has a narrow agenda that will only favor his boxer & his ranking will only show a small flaw, but the governing bodies have to serve a general strategy that favors all $ making boxers...So the bias is wider & chronic

    The governing bodies ratings simply reflect who are the most valued boxers (which is still an alternative way to measure talent, but not an accurate method), that will be equivalent to deciding the quality of material by how much she costs, which is quasi-accurate at best, because marketing (promotions) inflates the price of any product regardless of quality
     
  9. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    on top of this, and correct me if i'm wrong, but all the major federations are registered CHARITIES. that's really the golden ticket which keeps the door wide open for corruption, and to use my favourite whipping boy as a prime example, goes a long way to explaining how a scandalous '4 time champion' like felix sturm managed to never have to face a world class MW as a mandatory during his entire career.
    he probably made more money during his career than many fighters who fought on the world stage and had twice his ability due to lucrative german TV contracts.
    you'd have to be very naïve to think that the amount of money at stake, coupled with his seeming immunity to being matched with a quality opponent, weren't inextricably linked
     
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  10. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If Felix Sturm had Oscar De La Hoya ears he would be an Elite male super model, you can't blame the governing bodies for polishing him, especially that he was based in Germany where the ideal champion, must have idealistic looks.

    The Governing bodies list is an accurate guide to the market value of capable boxers, the public want Hero or Anti-Hero figures, the governing bodies try to figure out which boxers have the most potential for that
     
  11. FrancescoD

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    Robert Helenius and Derek Chisora are better than Ugohnoh who has never beaten a top 100 fighter. I would put Mansour about equal to Helenius and Chisora both also remember Mansour was beating Breazelle until he pulled out with injury, we actually did not credit the full value of that fight to Mansour (quite correctly I think). Points wise though it is pretty close between those two one top 50 win will pass the other. The unbeaten Cuban is not very good at all his wins were against very modest opposition, Breazelle beating Billy Zumbrum and Nagy Aguilera are much better. Whyte v Breazelle would actually be a great fight, I think most people have them pretty equal.
     
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  12. Robney

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    Can anyone explain to me how Wilder's last opponent (which if you don't recall, was the shot, inactive shell of Stiverne) gets mentioned in his list as ranked #14 at the time of the fight?! :lol:

    Can't imagine that is in any way accurate.
     
  13. Max Thunder

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    Heavyweight champion Manuel Charr is lower than guys like Abell and Zimnoch. Disgreace!
     
  14. FrancescoD

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    We don't take any notice if they have a belt or are a world champion it is just purely the fight quality. Not much in but Joey Abell's win over Zimmnoch just a bit better than Charr's best wins. Charr is well measured having stepped up 4 times and got beat and his five top 50 wins are all against fighters ranked between 30-50, so mid 20s does look about his level. Zimmnoch beat Oliver McCall when he was ranked 27 then of course got beat by Abell.