Jaron Ennis vs. Karen Chukhadzhian II & Jesse James Rodríguez Franco vs. Pedro Gibran Guevara RBR

Karen's success is being overrated on these scorecards. I guess Ennis's body punching, Karen getting outworked in at least 7 rounds, getting dropped and the point deduction never happened. This win will age very well for Boots, Karen beats everyone else outside of Stanionis @ 147

 

There goes that emotional side of you again. You know all you have to do is not respond rather than acting like a bitter school girl claiming the conversation is over......lol. This is the internet. I only exist in your life if you choose to hit reply.......lol......

I'm glad you worked on that conversation factor though. Karen has to beat someone worth noting for your statement to become true. And Ennis has to actually fight someone himself... You know....actually have an accomplishment. Achieve a milestone. Otherwise none of this even matters.

 

Hey goofy.... I didn't say Clayton wasn't an eliminator.... I said it wasn't for a world title.. It was for an interim position, which is nothing more than a madatory position.....My god. I refuse to believe you this freaky clueless. I hope your idiocy is an act.

Your comprehension struggles stim from you not reading enough..... That's a personal issue you need to fix for yourself that that you can have valuable conversations with adults. Google is at your fingertips.... Try to educate yourself. I can't help you anymore.

 

Thanks captain obvious

 

You gave credit for Crawford being in eliminators and flat out stated that Boots had never been one. His fight with Clayton was for the mandatory position, not the interim belt.


You wrote like 10 sentences, 7 of which were just insults. Relax and think back on what you actually wrote earlier.

 

So, if it's obvious to you, then stop crying.... Or do you just love the attention.....lol.

 

So why are you replying to me stating the obvious.... are you here to troll ?

 

Crawford participated in an eliminator that got him a world championship opportunity (bout), not the same as Ennis doing an eliminator just become interim (which is nothing more than a mandatory status).

There that's one sentence to hopefully simplify the already simple logic.

P.S. If they are insults, just take it on the chin, roll with the punches. It's nothing personal, I'm just having fun on this forum. I'm holding 4 of these conversations all a one time of different platforms. I don't know how to change my character to spare the emotions of strangers.

 

I'm not the one claiming the conversation is over, but then coming back to that same conversation..... Damn..... I was just joking before, but you really are emotional. Are you one of those chicks that need to have the last word so they feel they've accomplished something?..... My bad. I didn't mean to take your joy from you.....lol

 

So it's a troll ? K

 

They both partook in an eliminator fight to become the mandatory. It´s the same thing, the outcome just was different. However, you gave Crawford credit for taking part in an eliminator while dismissing Boots, well you actually said Boots never even took part in one.
And argument was about resumes before winning a world title, not about the legitimacy or validity of first belts.
No **** Crawfords first 2/3/4 title fight were more impressive than Boots. There is little arguing over that. But before those titles, Boots had the better wins leading up to his opportunity.
Boots turned pro younger, stayed more active and they both arrived at the world scene at similar ages. Only difference was the amount of fights.

 

Is English your first language..... Or did you just hate school?

 

Not the same thing. One eliminator puts him in the ring with a world champion. The other puts him in the ring with someone else who wants to fight the world champion just like him..... TF are we talking about about? The winner of Crawford/Klimov put them in the right with the WBO world champion....Ricky Burns. The winner of the Ennis/Clayton made them the MANDATORY for the IBF title. Which means, it did guarantee them a fight, just put them in the position to be priority over anyone else in the rankings "in case" they want the fight.

You keep saying Boots had better wins, but the names you mentioned were TRASH....and obviously those are your best names for the argument which shoes, Boots beat NOBODY. I'm not saying Crawford ran through a gauntlet but he definitely wasn't building his resume up on a bunch of fighters who were simply there to lose. I can give you 9 names off the top of my head in Boots first 15 fights that had losing records. And some were BAD..... Like Lionel Jimenez who was 3-18-1 going into the fight vs Boots. Crawford did have some dude that came down from welterweight that was Damon Antoine who was 8-25-1...needed an opponent so he could get paid. That was Crawford's like 3 or 4th fight. There was another featherweight name Marty Robbins who was way over the weight limit and couldn't compete in his match, Crawford's opponent got an injury so Robbins replaced him with a week's notice. Robbins was an example of when your heart is much better than your skillset. Dude was like 23-45 in the W-L column.....lol. So, I again, I'm not saying that Crawford's career was built on elite competition. Truthfully, no one who's had a full career can say that. Everyone starts from somewhere. But Crawford also wasn't fighting a bunch of throwaways and claiming he's the most dangerous fighter in the sport because he was better than the worst of the worst.

Crawford got himself in position by fighting 3 ranked opponents in a row, then went overseas and took a title from the champion. Ennis has done nothing more than mention Crawford's name every other sentence, and them claim the entire boxing world is afraid of him. Meanwhile, there's obvious evidence showing that he has 4 names who have been barking for a fight for years now. One showed up at his press conference this past weekend. Blair Cobbs.....whom he has a history with. Another is Conor Benn, whom both of them share the same promoter now.

This argument has gone too long. I'm not shooting my opinion of Boots. I'm just stating what's documented. Not sure why the back and forth is even continuing.

 

Wtf?
They were both final eliminators for the mandatory position. How is that not the same thing? The only difference was that unlike Burns, Spence was injured and could not fulfill his mandatory obligation, so the IBF ordered an interim title fight. Boots was supposed to fight Spence like Bud was supposed to fight Burns. Boots did not partake in the final eliminator to then fight for an interim fight, he was the IBF mandatory.
Abreu, Clayton, Herdeen and Lipiniets were all ranked by the IBF.

Prescott was literally the first good opponent of Crawfords career, everyone else prior to that were just bums. Barely any winning records.

I find it hilarious that you refuse to give Boots any sort of credit. It´s adorable. "It´s not the same thing! He did not fight ranked opponents! He did not partake in eliminator bouts! REE!"

 

Wow....Ok..... Now I see where your ignorance starts. Let me try to help you one more time....

1. The difference between those eliminators Crawford won his eliminator which GUARANTEED put him in the ring with Ricky Burns....the champion. He didn't need to petition because the contract stipulation for the bout was the winner beginning negotiations with the title holder. Ennis won his eliminator which made him the MANDATORY. Which means the only way he was going to get his title shot is if he petitioned to fight for that title. He didn't petition to fight for that title until October 20th of 2022.... One week after it was reported that Keith Thurman petitioned to fight Spence. 5 MONTHS after he beat Clayton in the eliminator bout.

2. I had to laugh..... The IBF is a sanctioning body. Just because a fighter is ranked by one sanctioning body does not mean that they are ranked in the division... Sorry, I though you were an experienced fan and knew this.....lol. Look at the current IBF rankings. #1 Karen Chukhadzhyan, #4 Conor Benn, #5 Lewis Crocker, #6 Paddy Donovan, #7 Alexis Roacha, #8 Shakram Giyasov, #9 Nick Flaz, #10 Josh Wagner....... That 8 of the top 10 ranked by the IBF........Not one of those names mentioned are ranked in the top 15 of the division. Each sanctioning body have certain fighters they have bridges to in order to get a champion. If a fighter finds himself being highly ranked by each of the major sanctioning bodies, they will find themselves ranked over all in that division. Those names you mentioned for Ennis's elimination bouts.....only Clayton broke the top 15 of the division.....
--Dulorme had 1 win in the 5 bouts leading up to his fight vs Ennis....lol...TF are you talking about he was ranked.....lol.
--Lipinets had just one welterweight fight in which he got a DRAW vs Clayton. You honest are trying to tell me he was ranked in the division....lol.
--Heerden.....he fought Heerden for 90 seconds before an accidental head butt. A Heerden who only high profile bout was vs a prospect name Errol Spence Jr in which he got stopped. Afterwards he fought a bunch of C/D level opponents in 8 round bouts.....but you are claiming he was ranked......lol.
--Abreu, come on dude..... Damn...do some research please. He was 5-4 in his last 9 bouts coming into the fight vs Ennis..... How TF can one get ranked in a stacked division like welterweight when you can't even string together a winning streak......
Other than Clayton....NONE OF THOSE FIGHTER WERE RANKED IN THE DIVISION.

At this point, you are just being freaking Goofy and are looking for attention. Your silly ass is referring to these fighters as bums and you clearly can't even win a mind fight, let alone compete in the ring vs any of them. I'm not sure why you keep attempting to act like you know anything about this sport in the conversation. It's crystal clear to me that you don't. Actually it's more pathetic that I keep giving you attention because clearly that all you seem to be begging for with this dumb responses you are sending.

You must be another one of those chicks who need the last word so that you feel you've "won the argument"...... I'll let you have that satisfaction because I'm done trying to educate you. You, at this point, are choosing to be ignorant. You can respond all you want but I have nothing more to say to you.