Jarrell Miller has lost 45 lbs since the Dubois fight

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  1. Boxing_Fan101

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  2. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well he was 333lbs for Dubois so he should be 288lbs if he has lost 45lbs. So still fricken huge, but who will be the heavier man, Ruiz Jr has been 283lbs so could be close.
     
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  3. Boxing_Fan101

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    More of a sumo wrestling match then boxing
     
  4. Veerbone

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    IF Miller isn't lying here, I think he'll beat Ruiz. That dude almost went 10 rounds with Dubois at 333, basically in a little better shape than I am.

    If he's in decent shape and can still take a punch, he'll outwork Lazy Andy. Plus, Andy's strength is counter punching. It's hard to counter punch someone who 's constantly in your space throwing punches.

    Ruiz is the better fighter, but I have no confidence in his discipline and dedication. It's sad that I have more confidence in Miller's.
     
  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ruiz must be in shape to win this. The 20 punches a round he threw against Ortiz won't cut it against Miller. Not even against the version Dubois fought.
     
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  6. Boxed Ears

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    Honestly, my friend, we are dealing with a myth, based on faulty deductive reasoning. I haven't missed it. Contrarily, I've hyper-focused on it, actually. It reminds me of a neighbor I had who picked his toddler up and shook the crap out of him, to get him to shut up while he was on the phone. He needed to discipline the child because the phone call was important and we can't have this chaotic factor of a person growing up incapable of non-disruptive behavior. We both know that. No household should foster it. Anyway, toddler died from the shaking, very sad, chin up, must soldier on. My neighbor, Bob, was not wrong to discipline the child though. That may seem crazy to say, under the circumstances, which are admittedly sad. He was overly aggressive, inefficient, and flatly stupid in his application of discipline. Disciplining your child can kill them. Deducing that it's because disciplinary action is inherently radical and dangerous, rather than that some people do it radically and dangerously, is a potential problem which might create a myth. The discipline is normal and sometimes an ideal reaction. How it is done may be helpful or harmful. He should've disciplined his child, just not that way. This isn't an indictment of discipline. It's an indictment of stupidity and mindless aggression.

    Similarly, a both naturally and unnaturally gigantic man who is hearty enough to be a world class athlete and is overweight by such a large amount can likely be disciplined to losing fat quite rapidly and safely. I don't know that he's certainly done that, and he very well may be muffing up the weight loss, however he has done so, but I would say discouraging him from rapid weight loss itself is completely misguided, and inadvertently enabling, as it is not inherently a/the problem. If your child is about to break a family heirloom, that requires immediate disciplinary intervention to stop the unwanted outcome. It is time-sensitive. Not just a lifestyle change where they become more orderly over time, which is something to be done in addition to your immediate intervention. If you're morbidly obese and meant to be soon-competing in an athletic competition that requires speed and stamina to be at your safest, then losing, say, a pound of thoroughly unnecessary fat a week gradually through lifestyle changes, is unnecessarily slow and frankly a little more dangerous than need be, I would contend.

    Sure, he could do it rapidly and unsafely, in a way that is deleterious to his athletic performance in the aftermath, or causes wildly problematic changes in electrolyte balance and muscle loss, etc. He may've done that exactly. I don't claim to know or much care if he did. But it is not inherent to all rapid weight loss, which is my essential contention. It might inhibit how constructive our conversation is if we haven't defined that which constitutes rapidity, I would add. We're built to be able to rapidly lose weight in times when dipping into our storage is necessary. This is a design feature which is not meant to make us a pile of hapless jelly because it needed activated. Not inherently. That's why the storage is there. Due to differences in how people attempt rapid weight loss, we see some very different implications in study of rapid VS long-term outcomes. There is a wide array of contradiction on rapid vs gradual, if you search it today, but it seems fairly obvious that the inherent negativity associated with rapid weight loss is a debunked myth. Sure, he should also change his lifestyle long-term and continue gradually leaning his proportions, if he wants to be his peak athletic self. I don't think anyone is going to disagree with that. But should he be doing hard subtraction in the short term as well? We may have to settle on strong disagreement here. Because I'll say he can and should be doing that safely, and that resting upon slow change is misguided and more likely to be harmful as a standalone change. He can certainly do something like puke his way into looking thinner rather quickly and do extensive damage to his body that is worse than just being and fighting fat, granted. I'm not promoting that. I'm only suggesting short-term, responsible cocaine use. Prescribed by a doctor. If you disagree with that, then you're just attacking science and we cannot be friends.
     
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  7. velagod

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    He should of done that when he came back from his ban.
     
  8. Shootlow

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    12/5 to win with skybet and 15/2 with Bet365 to win by ko/tko or dq I've already had a look as I think he beats Ruiz.
     
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  9. james5000

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    I'll still be suprised if he's less than 300, shocked if he's actually 288 or less.

    He always talks smack, he probably lost 25lbs and is claiming 45 lol
     
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  10. fencik45

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    He could lose that much simply by giving up pop or alcohol.
     
  11. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I want Ruiz and Miller to settle their differences at the buffet table.

    "They have both eaten away their talents.....now see their talents at eating"
     
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  12. Mickea4

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    Man working as a professional athlete with a purse-ceiling of many millions of dollars in his sport is STILL more than 45lbs overweight...
     
  13. BlackDog

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    Still got 100 lbs more to cut.

    But question is what he took. I dont belive that person who use soo much peds can force himself to work soo hard in natural way.

    I Hope that fight wont be cancel now when he being tested...
     
  14. MixedMartialLaw

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    Doesn't Ruiz say the same thing before every fight? Claim to be in his best shape then show up at weigh-in looking more obese than the last time.
     
  15. Charles White

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    Read an article today where he said he planned on weighing in around the 268 lbs mark.