JCC Vs Duran at 135

Hearns would have flattened Chavez at 154...in 1 round most likely

 

Randall was on horse steroids. DLH was in his prime. Kosta would have killed Duran too, if he had fought him once his skills diminished. Chavez that fought Willy Wise would have gotten killed by Joey Gamache.

 

So how would've Hearns-Chavez ended? You tell me your opinion. I would say Hearns ko 2-3 rounds give or take one.

 

Again I was responding to someone who said that Chavez never was buzzed from a punch. That's the point I was trying to make.

 

Chavez was knocked down by Frankie Randal, Stopped by Oscar DLH twice, Ko'd by Kostya Tyzu and quit against Willy Wise.

This is the post I was referring to.:deal

 

Someone school on me this. Wasn't Duran A huge 135 fighter. I read somewhere that he used to cut like 25 lbs.

 

I think that both men had great chins. I think it is unresonable to say that Duran didn't have a great chin because he was knocked out by Tommy Hearns. The man also went twelve rounds with Hagler. Three of his stoppages two were caused by injuries and one by embarassment. Joppy came when he was close to 50 and the only one that came in his prime was to huge monster puncher Hearns.
Let's say both guys had a great chin and I'll agree.

:deal

 

Both men were ****ing monsters.

 

:good

 

Chavez had about 4 fights as a LW.....Duran had about 72.

Also, the rest of your post shows how little you know about Duran, not really even worth a real response.

 

Instead of talking ****, why don't you point out fights of Duran you think will showcase what he was. I like to learn new things, I'm not opposed to being proved wrong. I can take criticism. I am a realist, so go ahead and act like you're ****ing Bert Sugar. You're not making any points though.

 

WTF are you even talking about? The clip was fine, it wasn't 100% clear, but the speed and timing of the clip was fine. Neither were very fast? What, Chavez was? Duran WAS faster than Chavez, and so was Dejesus. Yes, it was a competitive fight, as Dejesus was a very good, underrated fighter, better than someone like LaPorte who went neck and neck with Chavez. Chavez was a very technical fighter, one who was easier for a very good defensive fighter like Duran to time and figure out, moreso than more of the brawling, unpredictable type like Dejesus.

Give me analysis as to why you think Duran would win, because so far you've really not made a good case for him or yourself.

 

Do you think Chavez was any good?

 

Really source please?

 

I gave my opinion on the fight early in the thread, why rehash the same points? I have seen extensive footage of both men, I've seen the best Chavez(against Rosario) and I've seen the best Duran(against Dejesus), and as good as Chavez was, his style is neutralized by Duran's.

If you want, I'll go over some points again. Chavez was the pressure fighter moreso than Duran, who loved an infight, but would stand at range and pick his shots more than Chavez, who was purely come-forward. Chavez's style, which is to walk you down and fight you on the inside, wouldn't do him well against Duran, because, quite simply, Duran was a more skilled in-fighter. He was quicker, had more variety in his punches and maneuvers(though not as technical), and was better defensively. When your style is to pressure someone and try to work on the inside, you're in trouble if the opponent is better on the inside than yourself.

Also, as mentioned earlier in this thread, Chavez, when he dealt with firepower, was capable of being deterred, and would resort to boxing(which he was actually a bit underrated at), such as he showed against LaPorte. Duran never did this, even at higher weights, because his inside skills were so good, and his machismo so strong. That's why he quit against Leonard, because Leonard was taunting and moving, not fighting. Duran never ran away from a fight, so the people saying things along the lines of "Duran would quit on his stool" have either very limited knowledge of Duran, are Chavez nuthuggers, or are wind-up merchants.

Back to the fight though, basically, Chavez, when pressuring, is walking into a guy he can't beat on the inside, so what are his options? Box? Maybe, but he would then be getting pressed, and Chavez wasn't exactly elusive. Chavez just walks into a bad matchup here, and as great as Chavez was, he's facing a superior fighter in most aspects, including Chavez's main strength, infighting.