JDS: " i can KnockOut Wladimir Klitschko"

James Toney had no punch and was more shot than randy was. A guy like toney is the perfect guy to send into boxing, got a bad style for it. If you saw the best in boxing go into MMA you would see many of them succeed as well, just as you see BJJ guys etc succeed but we won't see that happen for a very long time as unlike every other martial art there is enough money in boxing.

 

I just saw the Dos Santos vs Velasquez II where Dos Santos just stands there with his hands down, no upper body movement and eats punch after punch. Wladimir would KO this bum in 2 seconds of round one.
If you guys wanna see the shittiest striker ever watch Dos Santos. What a bum.

 

Heres the link to this crap:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLkxa_nw6LQ[/ame]

 

i hate when they call the shitty striking in UFC "boxing"

 

Who took it seriously even before that fight ?

 

I love boxing, have maximum respect for the fighters and the sport, have supplemented my MT skills heavily with boxing, so it’s safe to say I’m a fan. Boxing fans often talk about science and sure the sweet science is a beautiful thing to watch, but in the context of the argument getting made on this thread, the science is flawed. I’m not saying a top boxer can’t crossover to MMA and do well, at some time one probably will, but on the whole it ain’t gonna happen on a regular basis unless the boxer supplements heavily with MT & BJJ for quite sometime to unlearn all those “bad” habits. And that’s the point really isn’t it, the time it takes to make a boxer top quality is time NOT spent on the mat learning how to grapple or in Thailand learning how to clinch, knee, elbow and kick.

Good hands aren’t exclusive to boxing, they are core weapons to MT and even more so in K1 Kickboxing. This idea that only boxers know how to throw a punch is bit old hat and not true. Boxers struggle to beat Muay Thai fighters of equal caliber let alone MMA fighters and all the variables MMA fights bring to the table. The dynamics and “science” is just all wrong for a boxer. Boxers are ill equipped to defend against any strike other than a punch (you really don’t wanna be defending kicks with your arms!), but the most important issue all the boxing guys are missing is that due to being so heavily dependent on their hands their essential foot placement and the weight distribution between their feet makes them sitting ducks for a competent multi limbed striker like a Muay Thai fighter with a brutal low kick powerful straight knees.

This thread’s all very hypothetical, so lets look at a bit of fact:

The most high profile and quality boxer ever to fight MMA is the KO King Yodsanan Sityodtong (Yodsanan 3K Battery) a.k.a. “The Thai Tyson” WBA Super Featherweight Champ with a record of 58-3-1 (47KOs). He debuted in 2011 and has yet to set the MMA world alight. He is better placed than most boxers as he had a pro background in Muay Thai before he became a boxer. Nothing too great, he didn’t win a stadium belt, but he was a solid pro with dynamite hands.

Here he is fighting a quality MT fighter Bovy Sor Udomsorn. They fought twice with Bovy winning both times, dropping Yodsanan in the process and this is many years after Yod’s boxing debut. Bovy’s not a top tier fighter more like an MT version of Katsidis or Gatti, a warrior who’s always in good fights. Unfortunately this action packed round is all that’s available and you can see once the elbows & knees start sinking in the tide turns……and remember Yod’s got an MT background so imagine a boxer who doesn’t understand the complicated ”science” of MT!

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQRb8jaujFg[/ame]


Now that leads us onto this MMA debut. It was the all round package of his eight limbed MT that won him the fight not his boxing.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XI1vI7gC6g[/ame]


Look what happens when a better grappler gets hold of him.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFN_IMjuWnw[/ame]


Make of it what you will, but he’s the best example of a quality boxer in the MMA ring we have. He’s better placed than most boxers cos of his deep MT background, but one things very clear it ain’t as easy to cross over to MMA as many have said it would be for a boxer. One thing many boxing fans don’t understand is just how fundamentally the addition of one extra weapon makes to the dynamic of a fight let alone 6 added on top of your fists and then with the ground game thrown in with 4oz gloves! I'd say that's a whole new aspect to the “sweet science”.

As I said before I think this “if a boxer crossed over to MMA……..” stuff is a bit of a red herring. IMO the best chance MMA fans have of seeing top quality striking in the cage is if more Thais or Thai trained foreigners crossed over. But truth is there’s enough money to be made in Thailand and Asia at the top tier of Muay Thai to keep the Thais away. (I can hear a huge sigh of relief form every western MMA fighter under 70kgs!)

 

yeah, Dos Santos is standing there like he is waiting for a bus and eating every punch.

 

he's actually a pretty good striker for an MMA fighter

 

I saw only one interview of Dos Santos. He sounds like a level head guy, maybe he just wants to be known as the heaviest hitter MMA by say that.

 

Dos Santos would obviously lose under the rules of boxing.

 

Entertaining fight but very unskilled.