I'm reading and hearing a lot of people saying JDS has a huge advantage because he has wtf in both hands, endurance, and moves really well. But what I'm seeing in his style is that he really likes to move straight forward and loop punches. He is really, really good in exchanges with his left hook, look like hail mary's but they are somehow accurate so in a prolonged exchange, he may have it as an advantage.. But... Last I checked, Overeem is the sort of guy who will wait for a guy to try and get off and look to counter, especially in his K1 matches. When you watch him fight, a lot of the time he will move forward and look to counter his opponent. The sort of reaction timing from striking disciplines I was seeing is the sort that translates almost instinctually to MMA. I watched Crocop land some insignificant left crosses on JDS as he would come in, he walked right through them but you could see he has some vulnerabilities as he closes to strike and loops his punches quite a bit during exchanges. It seems like it plays right into the defensive, timing and countering abilities Overeem has picked up. It's all more interesting now considering how powerful these guys are, any little mistake can lead to an opening, that can lead to the end of the fight. Am I crazy? Or are other people seeing a sort of technical advantage for Overeem? I don't at all doubt JDS' ability to knock him out, but I really think Overeem has a pretty nice advantage stylewise/matchup wise.
It's interesting to say the least, but Im surprised that JDS seems to be a clear favourite in the striking department around here But JDS hasnt been in with anyone with any striking pedigree during his UFC run Reem hasnt been in with an elite MMA HW with Championship pedigree Old Crop Cop aside on both counts. Im on the fence on this one for the moment
This is a real 'we will find out on the night' fight. Both have pedigree, both are incredible strikers. People have wanted to see The Reem go up against the best in the UFC, JDS has run the gauntlet and proven himself the best HW in the World. Both are cagey fighters. I think JDS will pick his shots as he did against Carwin and Alistair will come forward behind his big guard. JDS has brilliant hands and is quicker, Overeem has the more rounded striking and has more options. Not a slugfest, but rather a game of baiting and waiting until a big opportunity arises. Then we'll find out who the man is. The Reem is (rightly) dismissible based on the hype he receives. But on what he brings to this fight? Forgetting the years of hyperbole that may have caused some to look upon him unfavourably, but The Reem is a live dog here. It's as 50-50 you'll get, especially as they're Heavys. I like both guys, but am favouring JDS to get an uppercut through that guard and blast Overeem. TKO2 JDS.
100%. Too many people making out like they know the answer. Overeem has sick offence but poor boxing defence. JDS has sick hands and boxing defence. Who is even better at what they do and will enforce that style. Reems size, JDS speed, Reems knees, JDS hands etc Maybe JDS has a sick chin, maybe Reem hits too damn hard for any chin. Its an incredible fight. I'm backing JDS because he is a boxer and just such a nice guy. Overeem has a streak of **** in him. Can't wait to see Overeem in a dog fight. I want to see if that yellow streak returns.
Agree, but don't think it'll be a 'dog fight', as I say I think both will be patient rather than risk the other land a big shot first. I think it's completely conceivable The Reem's earlier issues with being forced out of the fight could come back, as my biggest gripe with him is his stamina, and here he's in with a guy who can actually take advantage of that to devastating effect. It will be great to see what The Reem is now made of in that respect, as it will be to see JDS in with the first top-notch striker (not faded anyway) and really see how durable he is. I just got a feeling that either way, it will comprise of a lot of 'feeling out' before a sudden and swift violent ending. So we'll only see the questions answered of one of the men ;-) But let's hope for a classic. I just think with two dangerous men this big, and 4oz gloves, I can't see either man maintaining a high pace of smacking the other for long. :good
I have to be honest, I just don't see this being a close fight at all. It seems to infuriate people when I say this, but I suppose we'll all have to wait and see. Kicking Brock Lesnar in the stomach and beating up Todd Duffee and Brett Rogers does not make you a great heavyweight. Overeem had difficulty in beating Fabricio Werdum. Cigano one-punch KO'd him. That's just one example. Another would be that JDS's best hw win is a 1st round KO of Cain Velasquez, whereas Overeem's is an unimpressive and unconvincing win over Werdum IMO. IMHO, great boxing beats great kickboxing more often than not in MMA. Overeem doesn't have the speed or the gastank to beat Cigano. He may land a nice knee or two on the inside, but Junior is a force of nature. His power-boxing will be way too much for Alistair. Overeem getting KO'd for sure. Early.
I have to agree. Overeem doesn't have a single decent win at HW in MMA. His best win is against Werdum, which was way more competitive than it should have been, and was one of the more bizarre fights in recent history. Werdum even got the better of some exchanges on the feet (some would argue the majority of exchanges). Werdum coming out ahead in a few stand up exchanges in that fight just made the fight closer than it should have been, JDS getting the better of a stand up exchange means Overeem will end up flat on his back. Overeem may well pull out a win, and I'll throw my hands in the air and proclaim him the best heavyweight in the world right now, but until that happens, he will remain grossly overrated in my eyes.
Overeem has fought much better strikers in K1 than JDS, and has about 30 more professional fights at the highest level than JDS does. I give Overeem a serious advantage in this fight due to his experience and skillset
Heres an example. JDS performs a step up knee to the body here against the Journeyman Nelson, but doesnt understand how to follow up. He just pushes him off. Nelson would go on to see the final bell. This content is protected An elite kickboxer or Muay Thai fighter would follow up the knee to the body with either hands or in the clinch. Case in point: This content is protected The reason why Overeems man didnt make the bell, while JDS's man did. I pick Overeem by a comfortable margin.
Something I find a bit frustrating with JDS in the Nelson and Carwin fight is that he doesn't seem to punch in combination of more than two. I swear he would have gottern Nelson and Carwin out of there if he threw a left hook behind the 1-2 or set up a longer combo with a left body hook. That said - I kind of find myself listening to Bas Rutten on this one - Overeem's chin is not made of granite, he may only have to land one or two super large ones - But I don't really have a firm favourite in this fight, I'm just looking forward to watching it.
This THe reason Badr Hari was able to stop Reem is because he threw LOTS of punches from distance+ different levels. Reem is a counter fighter and I think JDS single shot style will play into reems game plan
