Jean Pascal Says That Kovalev Hits Harder Than Beterbiev And Bivol...

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  1. Paranoid Android

    Paranoid Android Manny Pacquiao — The Thurmanator banned Full Member

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    Pascal only sparred Beterbiev and Bivol, so maybe he didn't really feel their power...

    He also said that Beterbiev is the best fighter of the three.

    Discuss.
     
  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    No, he's probably right Kovalev that hits the hardest of the three. Compare Beterbiev and Kovalev's performances against Campillo, Gabriel was far less shot and coming off of a few decent wins and robberies, Kovalev demolished him with absolute ease, then CAmpillo fought Top Dog and Fonfara back to back and looked average against both and was stopped by Fonfara, then after that it still took Beterbiev 4 rounds to stop a pulverized by Kovalev, Fonfara, Williams version, Sergey stopped him in 3 by the way.

    As far as Bivol goes, so what, his best stoppage win was against Berridge who was brutalized by Lepikhin, who has average power, he also almost went the distance with Romero, who Benavidez blasted out in a round.
     
  3. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    All fighters - even fighters who aren't renowned for their power, have different kinds of power and different punches that get more leverage and power than other shots they throw. I wouldn't doubt that Kovalev would seem the bigger puncher to most fighters than Bivol though I do think some would consider him a bigger puncher, just not nearly as many. I think the large majority of fighters at LHW would consider Beterbiev to be the noticeably bigger puncher than Kov or Biv, actually I'm convinced of it.

    Another factor is that against certain opponents fighters have a hard time catching certain fighters or fighters with certain styles with their biggest and best, if they can catch them with those at all. Efficiency and adaptability along with timing, accuracy, ring IQ, and adaptability are all some of the more prominent factors that go into this equation. Oh, forgot to add controlling the range, pace, when and where engagements take place, and in military terms - gaining fire superiority - imposing yourself and style in-ring which really manipulates a fights tempo and how it all plays out. Footwork is the most underrated aspect in most of this, and probably the most underappreciated skill in boxing. Footwork is key.
     
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  4. technocrato

    technocrato Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Beterbiev is a solid hitter, probably stronger than Kovalev, but Kovalev's punches have some kind of whip at the end that creates some other kind of power.
     
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  5. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Cool. Updated.

    On Kovalev's power.

    Nathan Cleverly

    ''Kovalev is a massive puncher; each punch is like being hit by a sledgehammer,'' Cleverly said. ''He sparked Ismayl Sillah clean out in the second round '' he was completely gone. He didn't do that to me, he shook me up and I was in no position to continue really, I was drunk from the punches and I have got a great chin, so he does hit hard and he's probably the most dangerous Light Heavyweight out there.''

    Were you surprised by how hard he hit?

    I suppose I wasn't surprised because with his record it was inevitable that he was a banger and every shot he threw was a thudding shot. It was like a hammer. He wasn't rapid fast, he had good timing, good distance and his punches were just so hard... His jab, his right hand. Just when he caught you on the shoulder he would have an impact and he was just clubbing me. He just clubs you with his heavy hands and he's the type to just club you into submission. That's his aim. To club you until he puts you down. I just kept it tight early but I knew, after taking a few of his punches, I knew I couldn't afford to be caught with a shot on the chin. I knew that. I remember thinking in the first round, if he catches me clean, I'm gone. I remember thinking that.

    Yeah. I did think I would be able to take it but I knew, I knew and especially from the first round '' I knew if he caught me clean it was highly likely I would go. Even the shots on the gloves and the shoulder, the impact was really heavy. It was clear to me from the first couple of punches that when this guy landed I would be in trouble.

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    ''Kovalev is an animal of a puncher''

    -- Nathan Cleverly

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    Darnell Boone

    'KOD: Who is the hardest puncher that you have fought?

    Darnell Boone: The hardest puncher was [Sergey] Kovalev. He knows exactly how to use his height and leverage with punches. He keeps you on the outside, away from getting on the inside on him. He fights tall.

    Cornelius White

    ''His power is unreal,'' White said of Kovalev. ''I've never felt that power before. I've fought heavyweights, cruiserweights and I've never felt that before. And they weren't bricks. It was steel.''

    Interview with former Kovalev victim Lionell Thompson. Thompson has sparred against a who's who of the LHW and SMW divisions: Dawson, Bute, Froch, Pascal Troy Ross, David Lemieux and numerous others too. He said every shot he throws is heavy, even the ones on the arms and gloves hurt and that no one hits like Kovalev.

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    ''I ain't ever been hit that hard. When he hit me it felt like somebody lifted the soul out of my body.''

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    Pascal on Kovalev, Beterbiev, and Bivol

    'Pascal is very familiar with all three of the Russian boxers.

    He suffered two defeats at the hands of Kovalev, he used Bivol as a sparring partner, and Beterbiev was his stablemate in the gym.

    While he believes Beterbiev is the best fighter of the three, he says Kovalev is the hardest puncher of the three. 2018 will be interested year to watch, if all three Russian punchers will begin to face each other in unification bouts.

    "Bivol was my training partner for my second fight against Kovalev. Who has the style that was more complicated for me, it was Kovalev. The best of the three? It's Beterbiev. On the other hand, the one that hits the hardest, it is Kovalev," Pascal told The Montreal Journal.






    On Beterbiev's power and some quotes from his team.

    'He's very strong, very tough. Hits very hard with a lot of power. I think he's definitely going to be one to watch in the division. I don't think there's many who could last with him.''

    What is it about Beterbiev that makes him so good?

    ''It's his power. I mean sometimes you box with him or out box him but sooner or later he's going to catch you with one of those big shots and he's just got so much power for a light-heavyweight.''

    --Bob Ajisafe

    'Beterbiev has sparred recently with Bob Ajisafe and Blake Caparello, who believes Campillo (25-6-1, 12 KO) is in for a brief outing. "I really think it will be a short night for Campillo," Caparello said. "This guy has some incredible brute force. He could even chase and hunt down a strong Sergey Kovalev in the ring'

    Oleksandr Usyk

    Q: Oleksandr, you won most everything as an amateur, including the gold at the 2012 Olympics. Who would you say gave you your hardest fight as an amateur?

    Oleksandr Usyk: “Well, all those fights, they all took place within the last couple of years or so, so it’s hard to say. Maybe, if I was pushed to say, it was Artur Beterbiev of Russia who gave me my roughest fight. He is very aggressive and he does hit very hard.”

    Gabriel Campillo on both Kovalev and Beterbiev

    Almost a year after Campillo’s scandalous loss to Tavoris Cloud in February of 2012, ‘Chico Guapo’ stepped into the ring with then rising danger man Sergey Kovalev, now recognised as one of the best fighters in the sport. In hindsight a third round loss to the Russian was no disgrace at all and Campillo believes that Kovalev would have a good chance at defeating Ward should that bout come to fruition.

    “Kovalev can beat anyone put in front of him but he is not unbeatable. He can beat Ward, it’s a fight we all want to see but I don’t have a clear favourite as yet. Maybe the amount of time Ward has been out and not fighting boxers of this quality could cost him. If I were his manager I might look to avoid that fight! As a boxer he will look to fight him, so there’s a conflict there.''

    “Kovalev is in his prime and we don’t know how long that will last but there is also Artur Beterbiev who is very strong, for sure he was the hardest puncher that I fought. I would favour Kovalev in that fight but anything can happen with a strong guy like Beterbiev.”

    Someone posted this on another forum

    ''I've heard scary stuff about this guy from behind gym doors, including a high HIGH praise and a glowing endorsement from Ovill Mckenzie who has been in his camps, said he will win world title within 10 fights without question''

    Pascal on Beterbiev

    Pascal is convinced that despite Beterbiev's short experience as a pro, he will be ready for Tavoris Cloud.

    Pascal: ''Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if he knocks Cloud out.''

    Artur Beterbiev is renowned for his power, as Pascal confirms.

    Pascal: ''Artur is a brute, I remember the first time we sparred, he hit me so hard my neck hurt for a week. He's a very big puncher, he's very strong physically but he's also very smart.''

    I remember reading an interview with Marc Ramsay where he said that they have problems finding sparring partners for him because he hits so goddamn hard. He said no one wants to spar him. The stuff he does in the gym, sparring, training etc. has made a big impression on those around him and going by stuff I read I think it's not uncommon for him to knock his sparring partners out or give them a real hiding.

    'I posed this question to Russ Anber, a trainer who helps Marc Ramsay with Beterbiev, and has worked in the corners of Sergio Martinez, Roy Jones Jr., and Jean Pascal. He drew on his 36 years in the boxing biz, and was straightforward with his appraisal of the Russian, a two-time Olympian.

    "Beterbiev is almost too good to be true," Anber told me of the fighter, who resides with his wife and kids in Montreal. "Technically, he's a complete student of the game, old school. He's university educated, understands biomechanics. His style is strength, imposition, but he's complete. He's as strong as a heavyweight, spars heavyweights here, like Oscar Rivas. He's the kind of guy, he comes into the gym, he doesn't turn the music on, he turns it off. He goes to the body, his infighting is good. And he's beaten Sergey Kovalev in the amateurs twice!"

    "This is the most complete boxer I've seen up close," Anber continued. "It's an effin privilege to be with him. His mental approach is that of a spartan. And I mean, he's the sort of guy you'd want your daughter to bring home. It's almost too good to be true."

    Yvon Michel:

    'How impressed are you with the rapid progress of Artur Beterbiev?

    Look, he is really impressive in every aspect of what you dream of for a fighter. He has a personality; he is an intelligent person, he's a family man. He has strength, power, speed, technique and dedication. The only thing that is missing is experience and we're working on it. It's a huge step (facing Cloud), we understand that, but we've seen him spar, I've had reports from his strength and conditioning coach, his trainer Marc Ramsey, who trains a lot of high performance fighter. Everything is telling me that we have an exceptional fighter on our hands

    Beterbiev's strength and condition coach (Andre Kulesza):

    'One last word that Andre Kulesza. This guy was coach with the greatest athletes in the world. Including Lucian Bute, a beast of training.

    "Phfff, it does not compare. That's what I've seen stronger in my life. It is measured scientifically. The recovery time, strength, relaxation. Artur Beterbiev is in a class by itself. "

    Marc Ramsay said his stamina is really good too.

    ''No matter if the fight is short or long, Artur will fight like hell in every round, promised Marc Ramsay, Beterbiev's trainer. I know that a lot of boxing fans in Canada are worried to see Beterbiev, who has only five pro bouts, face one of the biggest name on the international scene. But not me. I am working every day in the gym with Artur. I know how much this fighter is great and mature. Andre Kulesha, our physical education's specialist, told me he never worked with a fighter stronger and resistant like Artur. Cloud has no idea how much Berterbiev is good, strong physically and resistant. Trust me, Artur has the stamina to attack from the first to the 12 rounds if it's necessary.''
     
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  6. Todd498

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    I bet Gvozdyk’s straight right is as hard as anything in any three of those guys arsenals. Dude will be wicked in 2-3 years. He’s still improving.
     
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  7. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Man, every time I see Nathan Cleverly I mistake him for this kid i somewhat grew up with and that was in my boxing club. Dead ringer. Very good amateur too and barely applied himself at all. He was a southpaw and everything he threw with his left hand was an absolute grenade. Unfortunately, like most Boston white dudes - especially from his area - there is something really off in his personal fabric and he consistently destroys anything and everything he ever has going for him and is naturally prone to be a drug addict/alcoholic. What could have been....... And also like the other idiots from his area he has this disgusting obsession with stabbing people. This is a guy who would run through damn near most people with one hand tied behind his back, but strangely would rather jump, stab, and rob them.
     
  8. Kevin Willis

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    Beterbiev is the strongest and hardest hitter of the three and he delivers his power from any range with either hand or punch selection.
     
  9. Angler Andrew

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    Well we all saw that perfectly timed counter that put Ward down,what a sweet bit of boxing we saw for those first few rounds that made Ward look very ordinary.
     
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  10. Birmingham

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    Wish Ward had’nt retired and fought Beterbiev. That wrestling bollix ain’t doing **** with the Russian up close !
     
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  11. SnatchBox

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    Kovalev>>> Beterbieber

    Kovalev has clearly beaten the better opponents and displayed more power.

    Beterbiev will get ko'd clean vs Kovalev
     
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    I believe when all's said and done, Beterbiev will eventually come out on top.
    Kovalev, Bivol and Gvozdyk are all better boxers, but I think Beterbiev's power and relentlessness will prevail.
     
  13. kavlas

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    Saw Gabriel at his gym in Madrid. He told me the hardest puncher he ever faced was BY FAR Beterbiev.
     
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  14. JacK Rauber

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    Beterbiev for brute power. In other words, he will break you down and knock you out.

    Kovalev for one shot power. One and done.

    I actually think head to head Beterbiev weathers the early storm against Kovalev and knocks him out.
     
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  15. lewis gassed

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    Bivol was never billed as a massive puncher. What separates him is timing, footwork and precision.
     
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