Jean Pascal VS Bernard Hopkins and the flawed 'robbery' logic.

the 10 second clip doesnt show who won the fight, but it sure does show that pascal didnt think he won

 

I had Pascal winning first 3 and Hopkins the rest. 115-111 but i suppose you couls give 2 of those rounds to Pascal and voila a draw. 12th for instance.

 

Well Said.

And just to respond to another one of your posts, I don't want to see a rematch either; I don't think Hopkins needs to beat him again to prove to us something we already knew. This fight wasn't difficult to score, as a result I concur that it was a robbery.

Even Pascal's corner knew what was painfully obvious, Hopkins was back in the fight and that Jean's early lead was in serious jeopardy. Pascal didn't really celebrate after the fight either, it would have been disingenuous. Deep down he knows that Bernard Hopkins beat him.

 

Hopkins ALWAYS bitches about the results of fights he has not won. No other boxer does it more

 

Went right over my head..

Sorry CB...my bad man.I agree about Hopkins winning the fight.:good

B-Hop din't get the win,but he showed who the superior fighter was..

 

This is Russ Anber's TSN blog on the fight. ITs beyond fair and worth a read. But you can tell you aggravated he's getting by the whole robbery thing. Frankly so am I. Anyone idiot saying the rounds in this fight were easy to score is ****ing fooling themselves. Anyone that thinks rounds 2, 3, 5, 8, 10, and 12 were easy clear cut rounds to score is ****ing tool and obviously biased.

Here's Russ's column. FYI posting this here cause we've had too many threads on this bull**** already and we don't need another one:


With 48 hours now passed, and while the dust should have settled by now following the exciting World Light-Heavyweight Championship between reigning champion Jean Pascal and boxing legend Bernard Hopkins, it appears things are just beginning to heat up.

OK here we go:

Let's make one thing certain, for the record, Bernard Hopkins is an ageless, amazing athlete. In fact, I would say Bernard Hopkins is unequivocally one of the greatest athletes in the past 50 years. Scratch that, 100 years!!!

I think you would all be hard pressed to name an athlete, any athlete, in any sport, who not only is still active at one month shy of his 46th birthday, but is among the absolute very best in his chosen sport. Hopkins is truly phenomenal.

With that out of the way, let's go back to Quebec City this past Saturday night and revisit what is certainly a fight of the year candidate.

Before a sell-out crowd of over 16,000, Jean Pascal and Bernard Hopkins put on a display which had the Pepsi Coliseum shaking for 12 hard-fought rounds. After getting off to a better-than-expected start, Jean Pascal dropped Bernard Hopkins twice in the first three rounds and was comfortably ahead after five rounds. In fact on two of the three judges cards, Pascal had won four of the first five rounds.

What followed was a comeback for the ages as Hopkins began piling up the rounds as he turned the tide on the younger champion and became the aggressor. Round after round followed as Hopkins stockpiled the points.

In the end, the two knockdowns early in the fight played a crucial role as the judges handed down a majority draw in a fight that will be remembered for a long time to come.

Now most of you know all that, so here comes the aftermath, and sadly, it is definitely not as pretty as the fight!

I don't think any of you have an idea of just how sick and tired I am of listening to people who make accusatory comments regarding the decision of the fight, as well as making statements in which they are completely void of the proper information.

Let me try and set the record straight on some misguided information which has made its way into the media.

1. Fact: the referee is a Canadian named Mike Griffin. Mike is undoubtedly one of the best referees in the world, bar none!! His job in this fight was perfect. His nationality made absolutely no difference in the fight. In fact his work was beyond exemplary.

2. Fact: there were three appointed judges for the fight. One American, one Canadian and one neutral judge from Belgium. These judges are appointed by the WBC and not the Quebec Boxing Commission. It appears by the scorecards, that the only one who was biased was the American judge. He had Pascal only winning three of the first five rounds and only gave Pascal one round the rest of the way. With that being said he still had the fight close at 114-112.

3. Fact: The Canadian judge should be commended for his neutrality in submitting an even 113-113. His card virtually matched the neutral judges card round for round, in fact the Canadian judge gave Hopkins the 10th while the Belgian judge scored it even.

4. Fact: Bernard Hopkins won more rounds than Jean Pascal. However, boxing is scored by points and not by rounds. The two knockdowns scored by Pascal early clearly made the difference and saved his titles in the end.
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What was even more despicable were the erroneous and false comments rendered by both Golden Boy Promotions and Bernard Hopkins after the fight in which they blamed everyone in Quebec, in Canada, and the man on the grassy knoll, in conspiring to rob him.

While being in Pascal's corner certainly removes me from any point of neutrality, let me state a few more actual facts.

Showtime analyst Antonio Tarver had the fight scored 114-112 for Pascal, Stephen Brunt of Toronto's Globe and Mail had it even at 113-113, and Dan Rafael of ESPN.com had it in Hopkins' favour at 114-112. The fight was simply that tight.

Here is an excerpt from Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated.com:
"We now know this about Hopkins: He can still fight. He didn't get robbed in Canada. For all of Hopkins complaining about the referee, for all of Richard Schaefer's huffing and puffing about seeking legal remedies to overturn the decision, Hopkins got a fair shake. Two judges scored it a draw while another gave Hopkins a narrow win. Screwed? The New York Daily News's Tim Smith had Hopkins by a point, the Philadelphia Inquirer's Don Steinberg had Pascal by the same margin. Me? I had it even."
While controversies are the last thing we need, great fights and great crowds make boxing a great sport. This past Saturday night Groupe Yvon Michel proved that they take a backseat to no one in putting on world class events. The 16,000 in attendance and the millions watching around the world can attest to that fact. Testimony of that came earlier this week from ESPN's Joe Tessitore, who called Montreal and Quebec City "the two best fights cities in North America". A bold statement in an ocean of boxing cities across the continent in which Tessitore and the entire ESPN crew have travelled.

Like the song goes, "Nobody does it better...."!

As for Jean Pascal and Bernard Hopkins, their greatness shone in a twenty-foot ring, as they battled back and forth in a fight that will go down as one of, if not the, best fight of the year for 2010.

Finally, to all of you out there who continue to support boxing and who would love to have In This Corner back, let me take this moment to wish all of you a healthy and happy holiday season and here's to more great boxing in 2011.

 

Idiot...he's trying to show you that even pascal (the supposed champion) looked like a defeated fighter...not a winning one....he never celebrated...you could tell that he thought he'd lost the fight...

 

You know the funny thing is I actually kinda felt he was less vigorously wining after this one then he has after many of his previous losses. Like I seem to remember him winying much more after both his losses to Taylor and his loss to Calzaghe. The second Taylor fight and the Calzaghe fight were pretty rediculous too because frankly he was clearly beaten in both. Especially the Calzaghe fight. Honestly, I think deep down inside both guys are probably okay with the draw. Bernard probably felt he won but at the same time there was a lot more resignation in his complaints after the fight then normal. I think he understood its kinda tough to really ***** about a fight being a robbery when you got knocked down twice. Also it was probably such a huge effort at his age to get himself up for this fight that in the back of his mind he was probably wondering whether or not he had has it in him to put himself through that one more time. My guess is that he'll want the rematch but he might be less keen then he would have been 3-5 years ago.

 

Yes that is one theory. You can also be upset with yourself in victory. Or be upset at your performance and still think you won. The morral victory is clear there though...can't deny that.

 

Russ Anber (Pascal's cutman) explained it very candidly: this was not Pascal's best performance by any stretch of imagination (he was too inactive in the middle rounds after winning the first ones, he said he learned a lot from this), and although he thought he deserved the win, this was the first very close fight of Jean's career and he was not certain to get the W.

 

Bute was mad after Brinkley's fight

 

You can't juge by the face and declar the winner, wtf is that, boxers may have high expectations and when it's below of, they could have high disapointment as well like anyone who has high expectations.

Bute's face after is knockout in the 9th round is the perfect exemple. We're talking about someone who destroyed another boxer and he's clearly unhappy with the result.