Jeanette DQ win over Johnson. Was there a low blow?

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  1. Mendoza

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    JOHNSON LOSES ON FOUL
    One of Jack's Rain of Blows on Joe
    Jeannette Goes Low in Bout at
    .Philadelphia.

    PHILADELPHIA, Nov 25—Joe Jeanliette
    of New York went down in the
    second round of the wind-up with.Jack
    Johnson, tho negro heavyweight champion,
    at the .National A. C. tonigh,'.
    from a foul blow, and 10 minutes later
    he was carried from the ring suffering
    Intense pain.

    The blow was delivered about the middle
    of the second round and when both
    men were fighting fast. Johnson rushed
    Jeannette into a corner and one of his
    many; swings, went foul, the blow landing
    several inohos below the belt. Joannfittfl's
    ; seconds worked over' him five
    minutes, and then carried him to his
    dressing room.

    Jeanhette, to the surprise of evnry
    one, 'had all the better of the flrst
    round. Ho was fully six inches Shorter
    than his opponent, and 25 pounds lighter.
    Comrftencing the second round, Johnson
    sent a. hard right to Jeannetto's
    body and swung another right for the
    ilaw, but Jeannette was out of harm's
    way and came back with that bad left
    to Johnson's jaw. This appeared to
    anger the big champion, and he went
    after Jeannette.

    Many of his blows, which had steam
    enough behind them to drive Jeannette
    through the ropes, missed, and as Joannetto
    straightened up after each ducking
    bee he nearly always managed to
    tap Johnson's jaw.

    Johnson fought Joe around the ring,
    and, finally getting him In a corner,
    rained" right and left on his body, one
    of which blows went low and Jeannotto
    fell.to the mat.

    Johnson, not knowing that he had
    hurt Jeannette, struck him at least
    twice while the latter was falling
     
  2. Mendoza

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    Mcvey says thinks there was none. I say there was and newspapers reported it. Who is correct?
     
  3. mcvey

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    Please do not put words in my mouth, I have no trouble speaking for myself.
    I have NOT stated AT ANY TIME that there was NO LOW BLOW, what I have done is produce a primary source that states there were conflicting opinions on whether a low blow was landed,and if there was ,that it was intentional.


    Now, to WHAT YOU DID, YOU ORIGINALLY STATED THAT JOHNSON FOULED OUT WITH MULTIPLE LOW BLOWS , BECAUSE HE WAS IN TROUBLE AND IN DANGER OF DEFEAT. NO POINT IN YOU DENYING THIS ,BECAUSE I WILL TAKE THE TROUBLE TO TRAWL YOUR POSTS AND PROVE IT.



    That is cynical manipulation of facts ,and worse ,it is intentional LYING .

    Anyone interested in finding the truth of this can easily go back through both our posts and see who is telling the truth ,and who is mendaciously twisting facts for his own warped, hate agenda.

    1. I have shown ,via primary sources that Johnson won the first round handily and was in control of the second when the alleged foul occurred.

    2. I have shown, via a primary source, that if the foul occurred it was accidental.

    3. I have shown via primary source that IF there was a low blow it was a SINGLE BLOW ,and not ,as you contend, multiple low blows.


    To refute this , you now need to produce a PRIMARY SOURCE that contradicts this.

    N. B. Jeannette's " enhanced account" of this fight ,whilst he was angling for a title shot against Johnson is NOT A PRIMARY SOURCE.

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    I've put most of the relevant bits of my reply in caps because I know you have difficulty grasping responses.


    I await your response with interest.
     
  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I would always go with the primary source nearest to the event, but then you don't exactly have a good track record when it comes to accepting the most direct source.
     
  5. lufcrazy

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    Every source i've read indicates johnson was battering jeannette before knocking him out at which point it was deemed the punch could have been a foul.

    It seems like a fitz v sharkey type fight to me as there's more evidence to suggest it was a ko than vice versa.
     
  6. apollack

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    What is your source?
     
  7. mcvey

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    Even if one were to give credibilty to this report,and the assertion that Jeannette was fully 4 inches shorter that Johnson , [5'8 1/4 " ] rather casts doubts on it's veracity, the report says Johnson delivered A FOUL BLOW NOT MULTIPLE FOUL BLOWS, as you originally stated.
    You also originally stated Johnson fouled Jeannette deliberately because he was in dnager of losing.


    Since Johnson had never lost to Jeannette in multiple fights, what would have been his motive for deliberatedly fouling Jeannette?

    He was surely in no danger of defeat as it was only the middle of the second round and your report states he was busily raining blows on Jeannette whom he had trapped in a corner.

    Jeannette by the way ,was involved in another similar controversy against McVey , McVey dropped him ,but Jeannette claimed a foul which McVey disputed vociferously, opinion was again divided, some said there was a foul, some said Mcvey should have been awarded the fight by a stoppage win.

    I've allready posted a ringside report that directly contradicts this offering, so no need to do so again. Please produce your source for these "quotes"