Jeannette W-TKO49 McVey

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  1. Senya13

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    We all, of course, have heard of this amazing fight.

    Quoting the Boxing Register:


    Jeannette's most famous fight occured on April 17, 1909, when he met Hall of Famer McVey in Paris. The pair had fought a lackluster bout there two months before. The dissatisfied crowd had showered the ring with programs and other debris, and rumors began to circulate that the two had treated the fight as a mere exhibition. Eager to dispel that notion, Jeannette and McVey agreed to fight to the finish with no round limit. The resulting battle was one of the greatest marathons in boxing history. McVey scored the first of his 27 knockdowns in the first round. In the sixteenth McVey countered a Jeannette uppercut with a right to the jaw that most likely would have finished Jeannette--had he not been saved by the bell. Jeannette went down in the next round, the 21st time in seventeen rounds that he had hit the canvas. Looking beaten after nineteen rounds, Jeannette miraculously revived and seized control of the fight. As the bout moved past the 40-round mark, Jeannette began to floor McVey with regularity, but still could not put him away. In the 42nd, Jeannette dropped McVey seven times. Finally, after 49 rounds, McVey could not continue. Despite having been knocked down 27 times, Jeannette had triumphed in this unbelievable test of endurance, courage, and boxing ability. This fight underscores Jeannette's indomitable will.


    Beautiful story. But how true is it?
     
  2. Senya13

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    M'VEY MEETS DEFEAT.
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    Beaten in Fiftieth Round of Fight by Jeannette.


    Paris, April 17.--In the greatest prizefight witnessed in France since John L. Sullivan and Charley Mitchell drew at Chantilly in 1888, Joe Jeannette, of New York, defeated Sam McVey, of California, to-night in the fiftieth round of a finish fight. A great crowd witnessed a game exhibition of heavyweights, the contest lasting for three hours and a half. McVey had the better of the fight up to the fortieth round, and in both the twenty-first and the twenty-second round he had the New Yorker so groggy that he barely could keep on his feet.

    Jeannette bore the punishment bravely, and came back in a wonderful manner. McVey had almost worn himself out after forty rounds, and by this time the New York fighter was coming back. By effective infighting he gradually beat the Californian and practically had him knocked out when the fight ended. McVey's seconds throwing up the sponge. Jeannette was the favorite in the betting, and the purse was $6,000.

    It is understood that Jeannette now intends to issue a challenge to Jack Johnson for the championship of the world.
     
  3. Senya13

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    JEANETTE GETS THE DECISION.
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    McVey Fails to Respond in Forty-ninth Round.


    Paris, April 17.--Joe Jeanette won the finish fight with Sam McVey to-night, the scrap going forty-ninth rounds. It was not a knockout, as McVey simply refused to respond at the beginning of the fiftieth round, declaring he "had enough." His seconds threw up the sponge. There has been intense rivalry between McVey and Jeanette, and challenges have been hurled right and left by both men, while they raked down the money in the music halls.

    McVey was the favorite for to-night's fight, and he started off like a winner, putting Jeanette down for the count in the sixth round. It was a give-and-take encounter to the twentieth round, with McVey having all the better of it, but after that point he weakened, and was slammed all around the ring by Jeanette, who administered terrific punishment until the forty-ninth, when McVey quit cold. Both men were badly punished.




    THE OXYGEN TREATMENT HELPED.
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    That is Why Jeanette Was Fresh After Forty-Nine Rounds of Fighting.


    Paris, April 19.--The Jeannette-McVey fight was one of the most interesting contests that Paris has ever seen. Jeannette's victory was mainly due to the adoption of young Corbett's method of inhaling oxygen between rounds, the first time it had been resorted to on this side of the Atlantic. The efficency of the oxygen treatment was well illustrated by its effects on Jeannette, who revived quickly after being on the verge of a knockout no less than four times during the fight. His freshness at the end of the forty-ninth round was such as to astonish the veterans of the prizering, who gathered about the ringside.
     
  4. Senya13

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    OXYGEN A FACTOR IN FIGHT.
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    Jeannette Beats MacVey in Forty-ninth Round of Brutal Encounter.


    Paris, April 17.--By virtue of oxygen pumped into them by their seconds Jeannette and MacVey reeled and staggered through forty-eight rounds of a brutal and plucky fight here to-night. At the opening of the forty-ninth round MacVey, his face utterly dehumanized save for an expression of helpless agony that distorted what remained of his features, signified that he was unable to continue, whereupon the referee declared Jeannette the winner.

    The fight was to a finish for a purse of 30,000 francs. About 2,500 persons, a large majority of them foreigners, were present, less than half the number who attended the match between the two on February 20, when MacVey got the decision after a fight that was under the general suspicion of being fixed. To-night's fight was on its merits, a fact that was testified to by the desperate condition of both combatants.

    In the early rounds Jeannette's cleverness more than offset MacVey's superior hitting ability. This continued up to the nineteenth round, when after a singular episode in which Jeannette figured as a practitioner of forbearance, shaking hands with his helpless adversary, when he might apparently have punished him, he himself was knocked down three times in succession and was saved only by the bell.

    For the next few rounds he survived only by the liberal employment of oxygen, the bell several times finding him all but helpless. To the surprise of all he displayed remarkable powers of recuperation, and in the last ten rounds simply made a chopping block of his opponent, although he lacked the power to deliver a knockout or even achieve a straight knockdown. MacVey's surrender, however, was justified as it was impossible in his condition that he could win.

    The contest will not improve the standing of either man. MacVey showed himself slow and lacking in ability to take advantage of openings, while Jeannette demonstrated his lack of a winning punch. As an exhibition of recuperative power on Jeannette's part, however, and of endurance and stamina on MacVey's the contest was as remarkable as for its brutality. Curiously enough, brutal as it was, it was devoid of ferocity, the men exhibiting an almost friendly spirit throughout the fight.

    The contest opened briskly, Jeannette using a straight left blow. He showed the greater cleverness until the fifth round, when Sam knocked him down, after which both fought cautiously until the fourteenth round, when Sam's right eye was swollen. At the sixteenth round Jeannette changed his style of fighting and forced Sam to the ropes. In the seventeenth round Joe seemed a certain winner unless for a chance knockout blow.

    During the nineteenth round, when Jeannette seemed to have Sam at his mercy, Sam sent him down three times for nine, eight and six seconds. After this round oxygen was administered to Jeannette, and the dose was repeated in varying quantities until the last round. Jeannette went down again for six seconds in the twenty-first round. Sam had the best of it until the twenty-sixth round, when Joe went down again for eight seconds. He was down for the same time in the twenty-eighth round, when Sam was too weak to put him out.

    In the thirty-third round both slipped on water in Joe's corner and went to the floor. Subsequently Joe cleverly fought Sam into the same corner, hoping to advantage by a similar accident. In the forty-second round and until the end oxygen was administered to Sam, but it did not seem to help him as it did Jeannette.
     
  5. Senya13

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    Le match Joë Jeannette-Sam Mac-Wea

    Après un magnifique combat qui a duré deux heures vingt-quatre minutes, au cirque de Paris, Joë Jeannette, a été victorieux de Sam Mac-Vea qui, au 49c round, reconnaissant sa défaite, a serré la main de son adversaire et déclaré abandonner.
     
  6. mcvey

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    A marathon of endurance ,which I am sure was appreciably better than the Sullivan Mitchell scrap.It's the first time I was aware oxygen was used.
     
  7. Senya13

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    The thing I wanted to point out is the knockdowns. According to the reports above:

    Jeannette was down once in the 5th or 6th round, three times in the 19th, and once in the 21st, 26th and 28th rounds.

    There's no mention of 27 knockdowns of Jeannette and 19 knockdowns of McVey.
     
  8. Minotauro

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    Make you wish they filmed these fights sounds like one of the greatest comebacks and I've always been a fan of Jeannette.
     
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  10. janitor

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    I could make a strong case to you that this was the greatest heavyweight fight of all time.
     
  11. Senya13

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    So does anybody know who and when made up a story of 46 knockdowns in this fight (where the story first appeared)?
     
  12. Bad_Intentions

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    :good :good
     
  13. gregluland

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    I read this article not long ago, a good boxing mate gave it to me but the format had me confused as to how to save it. The article must be the one you mean.
     
  14. gregluland

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    I have to agree with that.
     
  15. Mendoza

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    As you know boxing reports can be hit or miss on knockdowns. Some mention them, others do not.

    Most of the knockdowns could have been the I need a break types of knockdowns after being hit as the two were running on fumes and heart in the later rounds. I'd say if someone says 46 total knockdowns, you have to assume there were many of them.

    This was a finish fight with no limit on rounds.

    Taken from Box Rec:

    Location: Cirque de Paris, Paris, Paris, France
    The World Colored Heavyweight Championship was on the line.
    This was a fight to the finish
    Jeannette was the betting favorite
    The purse was 30,000 francs, which was about 6,000 dollars
    About 2,500 fans were in attendance
    This was the third of five fights between Jeannette and McVea. Jeannette won the first by a ten-round decision, McVea won the second by a twenty-round decision, Jeannette won the third by a knockout in the forty-ninth round, the fourth was a thirty-round draw, and the fifth was a twelve-round draw.

    On a cold spring evening at Cirque de Paris in 1909, Joe Jeannette and Sam McVea, both inductees of the International Boxing Hall of Fame and among the greatest heavyweights to ever live, waged what many to this day claim must have been the greatest fight ever in the sport of boxing. Several of boxing’s most official sources, including The Boxing Register, The Encyclopedia of Boxing by Gilbert Odd and An Illustrated History of Boxing by Nat Fleischer, described a bout that included thirty-eight knockdowns over the course of forty-eight three-minute rounds. Twenty-seven were recorded in favor of McVea during the first two-thirds of the fight, and eleven were recorded in favor of Jeannette during the later rounds. Yet primary sources of information written immediately after the bout, French and American newspapers in particular, do not claim nearly the same multitude of knockdowns.

    All accounts of the event recall Jeannette being sprawled on the canvas numerous times, up to five times in the 19th round alone, and each report marveled at his ability to endure punishment, recuperate and come back fighting. As for McVea, the number of knockdowns aside, it is also without dispute that he suffered a severe eye injury early in the match, and by the time he gave up before the beginning of the 49th round, both eyes were closed and his face was a mangled mess.

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    The most widely publicized story describing the fight was a syndicated article appearing in popular American newspapers, the New York Times included. It described the match as “the greatest fight witnessed in France since John L. Sullivan and Charley Mitchell fought their thirty-nine round draw at Chantilly in 1888.” Without any real details, it describes McVes as having the better of the fight for the first forty rounds, with Jeannette suffering tremendous punishment and barely lasting through the 21st and 22nd rounds. The article then recounts that McVea wore himself out by the 40th round, and Jeannette came back to win with effective infighting during the final nine rounds.

    There is more detail in French newspapers but absolutely no accounting for all the knockdowns that supposedly took place. An April 24, 1909 article appearing in La Presse described the McVea-Jeannette bout as a clash of styles, with Jeannette matching his superb defensive and scientific mode of boxing against McVea’s brute strength and punching power. A translated excerpt from the coverage offered by La Presse:

    At the beginning of the combat, Sam McVea looked in marvelous form due to a severe drive in training and strongly attacked Joe Jennnette, and he seemed to worry very little about the blows that his adversary threw at him. During a certain number of rounds, the two men made a good match and looked the equal of one another. Then Sam, by use of terrible blows projected at his adversary, knocked him to the ground several times. Then next, with extraordinary courage, Jeannette raised himself and little by little found the means to put the hurt on Sam. The combat was superb, and all at the same time violent and scientific. Sam landed terrible direct blows to the jaw of Jeannette who also dodged many and counterpunched well with his own powerful blows that landed admirably. Sam no longer looked human, as his eye was completely closed and his mouth bloodied.
    We arrive thus at the fortieth round. Joe Jeannette, very fresh, rains a hail of blows on Sam, who is completely disabled, but thanks to his incomparable force and courage, always resists. The bell saved him several times from defeat. The uppercuts of Jeannette are no longer avoided anymore by Sam who is well finished.
    With the forty-ninth round, a record! Sam shakes the hand of Jeannette and states he has given up. Science, speed and flexibility have just triumphed over brute force. Sam MacVea, crowned by Parisians as the king of boxing, falls from his pedestal. Joe Jeannette will replace him. Poor Sam!

    The above record by a French journalist at ringside reporting for La Presse described a tremendous battle between McVea and Jeannette but offered no account of the thirty-eight knockdowns . . . only that Jeannette was floored several times. Other French reports on the fight highlighted the use of oxygen inflated balloons which were inhaled by both fighters in between rounds and marveled at how energized Jeannette looked going into the 40th round of combat.

    The most detailed description of the match in American newspapers appeared in a New York Sun article dated April 18, 1909. In the piece, its summary was as follows:

    By virtue of oxygen pumped into them by their seconds, Jeannette and MacVey reeled and staggered through forty-eight rounds of a brutal and plucky fight here tonight. At the opening of the forty-ninth round MacVey, his face utterly dehumanized save for an expression of helpless agony that distorted what remained of his features, signified that he was unable to continue, whereupon the referee declared Jeannette the winner.

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    The New York Sun article also goes on to describe Jeannette’s scientific style of boxing as more than offsetting McVea’s punching power until the nineteenth round when Jeannette found himself floored three times and in tremendous trouble. With the liberal use of oxygen administered to Jeannette over the next few rounds, he would survive but found himself saved by the bell multiple times. The article then goes on to describe Jeannette as displaying “remarkable powers of recuperation” and making a “chopping block” of his opponent during the last ten rounds. At the same time, the Sun’s reporter claimed Jeannette “lacked the power to deliver a knockout or even achieve a straight knockdown.” This directly contradicts other accounts that had Jeannette flooring McVea multiple times over the last ten rounds, including The Boxing Register, which claimed McVea was downed seven times in the 42nd round alone.

    Two very detailed ringside correspondent reports provided by [url]www.joejennette.com[/url] offer accounts of Jeannette being floored numerous times and saved by the bell on several occasions. At the same time, the reports mention no knockdowns of McVea at all.

    So what is to be believed? Whether the bout actually recorded thirty-eight knockdowns or not is really irrelevant because something truly special transpired that evening in Paris over a hundred years ago between Joe Jeannette and Sam McVea. What we do know is Jeannette was floored numerous times, out on his feet and seriously hurt, and saved by the bell at least three times from the hard hitting McVea. We also know that despite the tremendous battering he endured at times during this fight to the finish, Jeannette was still capable of relying on his will and superior ability to outlast and outbox one of the greatest heavyweights of all times over the course of forty-eight hard fought, back and forth rounds. It was likely the greatest fight ever contested in the history of boxing.