Jeet Kune Do:The Way of the Intercepting Fist. Bruce Lee technique & philosophy VIDS

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  1. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    That said, using trapping to box is not really the effective way to trap. The goal should never be to create a n attachment so one can trap and then hit. The goal is to attack - then when obstacles are encountered - clear them out of the way and strike again. It's always a bit misleading to say that trapping doesn't work against boxing because it's not really supposed to be used in that manner. It's like saying to a boxer that they can't throw a right cross or a hook and then telling them boxing is ineffective. Or like watching someone practice with a heavy bag and then telling them it's easy to kick a bag when no one is punching back or trying to clinch them.

    Like training with a heavy bag or a double end bag or training position escapes in jiujitsu - practicing pak sau, lop sau or sticky hands drills are merely methods of sharpening one's tools. Eventually these tools have to be applied in sparring. But when jabbing one's sparring partner in the eyes is prohibited - that generally leads one back to doing one and two step training drills in order to build these techniques.

    The primary attack should be the strike to the groin or jabbing fingers to the eyes. Almost anyone that is jabbed in the eyes will react to it - often throwing their hands up and trying to cover up. This can create an attachment that could be used to move in with further attacks.

    In closing - the goal is not just to create a trap - but to attack your opponent where they are most vulnerable - in this case the eyes - with the closest weapon.

    Here is JKD instructor and former shooto champion Yori Nakamura demonstrating the jabbing fingers as employed in JKD.

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  2. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    One does not accumulate but eliminate. It is not daily increase but daily decrease. The height of cultivation always runs to simplicity.
    –Bruce Lee


    In this clip, Burton Richardson explains the science behind JKD.

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    In this clip Shooto champion Yori Nakamura explains the basic progressive indirect attack.

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  3. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    Scurlaruntings - you are the poster that has the most experience in wing chun - please add something to this discussion.
     
  4. ShadowWorks

    ShadowWorks Active Member Full Member

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    There are many forums of Wing Chun/Tsun today, these all differ from the original Wing Chun developed by the Buddhist Nun, Ng Muof and her first student Yim Wing Chun, JKD is not a fighting style but a fighting system which is modular, like a tree you are the base and the brances are what ever style works, the idea is to have as many brances as you can develop and balance with other, to grow as much as you can, a tree with only one branch is naked and will be at the mercy of a storm.
     
  5. Arka

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    Supposing you try to target an attacker's eye with an open hand strike,aren't you at a risk of damaging your fingers if you miss and hit their skull? Wouldn't a gouging of the eyes by your thumb in close be more effective?

    I've seen boxers gouge their opponents with thumb strikes in close.
    Ali apparently broke Terrell's bone in his eyesocket damaging the soft tissue and muscles behind Terrell's eye.If this fight used as an example of effective eye gouging in JKD?

    Larry Holmes against Scott Frank is another good example of one...

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    Below the belt strikes? How about classic Golota?
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    Shame about Adrzej.He could really dish out the brain damage,but he had to go for the groin...:-(

    Tony Galento's was famous for his fouls too.Apparently he almost blinded Lou Nova using just his thumbs.
     
  6. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    Arka - I have some answers to some of your questions - but I can't find the proper online resources so that means scanning and hosting photos to the web to help illustrate my point which I just haven't had the time to do over the holidays.

    But to put it shortly - if it works - use it. Doesn't matter what you call it or where it comes from.
     
  7. ShadowWorks

    ShadowWorks Active Member Full Member

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    This is JKD
     
  8. Primenal

    Primenal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If the MMA fighters today trained HALF AS HARD as Bruce Lee did they would be true badasses.
    I don't see how anybody doesn't see how Bruce Lee could have done well. ****, the man trained like 6 days a week, like 6-8 hours a day, and on the 7th day he sparred.
    How many UFC fighters you know train like that?
    If MMA were on the map, and he chose to fight in it...This guy could have been ready for competition within a few months, and dominated most of them! The guy already had unhuman conditioning, incredible power for his size, flexibility, great hands, great kicks (even if some of them were illegal), etc. This man could have competed in ANYTHING he set his mind to, and as crazy as the man was to be THE ABSOLUTE BEST...He'd have been the best in whatever he wanted. Even if he died while trying....
     
  9. codeman99998

    codeman99998 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Forrest Griffin, Rich Franklin and Sean Sherk all train like that. Not the same regiment of course, but they all train extremely extremely hard. Their lives are truly devoted to fighting.
     
  10. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    MMA fighters train full contact MMA sparring against other MMA fighters, that alone is better training than Lee ever did.

    GSP trains with the Olympic wrestling team, Lee never did; Kerr, Koscheck, Lesnar, Coleman, Randleman, and more were all NCAA national wrestling champions, last I checked they train as hard as anybody in sport; Henderson, Erikson, Couture, and Trigg all wrestled for national teams in international competitions or the olympics, again harder than anything Lee did. The dozens of others who made all-American, top 8 in the country, also had to train their ass off every day. Kid Yamamoto was a top prospect for the Olympics in Japan.

    Lindland won a silver medal in wrestling, Natsula and Yoshida won a gold medal in Judo, all much harder training than anything Lee ever did. Think about that, do you have any idea how much work is required to win an olympic medal? Any idea?

    The Nogueria brothers train with the Cuban national boxing team, Rogerio was the South American amateur boxing champion; yet again harder than anything Lee has ever done.

    GSP trains with pro boxers, so does Aleksander Emelieanko, so has BJ Penn, so has Randy Couture, so has Anrdrei Arlovski; there were a lot of pro boxers in Bruce's day, why didn't he ever train with them? Too hard?

    Sergei Kharitanov was a bronze medalist in the pan Asian games in boxing.

    BJ Penn, Demian Maia, Dean Lister, Ricardo Arona, Pe de Pano, Werdum, Gonzaga, and I'm sure I am forgetting some where all world champions in BJJ.

    Fedor was 3rd in Russia in Judo; and multiple time world champion in Sambo; do you have any idea how hard you have to train in Judo to get 3rd in the entire nation of Russia? Any idea?

    Vale Tudo was alive and well in Bruce Lee's life time, he was aware of it, he chose not to fight in it; if he thought he was the best fighter there were plenty of people willing and ABLE to show him otherwise, he knew better.

    We can give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe he just didn't know enough about BJJ to train hard in it; but Judo, Wrestling, and Boxing have always been the gold standard in combat athletics, yet Bruce never even once seriously tried to accomplish anything in any of them; he won one minor event in Hong Kong in boxing that nobody knows the name of, big deal.

    So say all you want about MMA, make all the assumptions about what Bruce Lee would have done, but we do know what he did not do, he did not work nearly as hard as any single one of the fighters I listed.

    If he really wanted to be a great fighter, he would have put some real work in Judo, Wrestling, or Boxing; he never did.

    So don't tell me about how much harder he worked than MMA fighters, because that is a bunch of ****, he never actually followed through with anything, he never once put himself to the real tests available, he never once did what it takes to call himself a fighter, let alone the best fighter.







    So regarding your point that he could have "been the best in anything he wanted to" there are only two answers when you look at the facts

    Either
    1) He tried and failed because he was not good enough or did not work hard enough

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    2) He didn't want to be a fighter, because he never even tried.


    Either way, you are full of ****, because he has nothing on any of the men listed who did the things you claim Bruce could have done.
     
  11. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    Great post, Beebs. To his credit, Lee did train with world champions in judo, karate, tang soo do, taekwondo and such.
     
  12. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    I think Beebs has said everything there is to say on the subject of Bruce Lee vs MMA, so let's close the book on that one.

    Now we can get back to talking about the philosophies, concepts and strategies of JKD that one might find useful in the streets or even in MMA.
     
  13. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    :ko

    It's UFC fight week again - so in honor of Bruce Lee's number one fan and current UFC middleweight King Anderson Silva. . .el BUMPO.
     
  14. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Dude man get your own slang! How you going to put Sugar Shane Country on your avatar! I own that! I got the patent! :fire And what you want to know about Wing Chun? My sticky fingers is still pretty good :yep
     
  15. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    Well, I figured since my username has "Sugar" in it - it would be obvious that I have always been a Sugar Shane fan. I figured there was enough love for the Sugar to go around. I couldn't think of anything better than "Sugar Shane Country" to put over my avatar - but if anyone asks - you still have the patent.


    And what I want to know about wing chun is why no one is using it properly in MMA. People keep clowning on trapping and saying that it's not effective - when it reality it's more effective in street situations than in rules-regulated-combat that prohibits strikes that specifically target weak points - as wing chun does.

    So - whatever insight you have to offer would be greatly appreciated.