Jeet Kune Do:The Way of the Intercepting Fist. Bruce Lee technique & philosophy VIDS

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  1. P4p King

    P4p King Jab! Jab! Right Uppercut! Full Member

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    Bruce lee was a nobody, In the movie enter the dragon they had to do separete shoots of them fighting, because of the possibility of them getting into an actual fight. But it wouldn't matter because Chuck would have won.... why? because he was a 10x kick-boxing world champ and Bruce lee was a nobody with a philosophy degree.

    PS. Bruce was not a competitor, so for all we know, he's just a guy who study martial art principles...
     
  2. Canibus81

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    He had incredible stand up skills compared to MMA fighters of today. None of the MMA fighters stand up ability today impresses me except Cung Le. He Might the best I've seen so fAR. And like you've touched on, Bruce Lee wasn't just a standup fighter, so he wouldn't just come in with one game plain. He caught on quick with things ala GSP with his wrestling and I'd be very confident that would be a definite advantage in his favor.

    The centerline thoery was a techinque that most MMA fighters don't understand and how effective it can't be. It applies to when your even shoving an opponent. If you watched after he trapped Norris hands in the way of the dragon in the fight scene, he used his centerline and shoved him after the combo he hit him with, so that was a very effective thing in close quarters.
     
  3. kflex101

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    Great points.
    I almost feel sorry for Bruce Lee now his time is well past.
    The poor guy has been put on such a ridiculous pedestal that it actually detracts from the things he did achieve.

    Let's look at the facts on Bruce. He was a great martial arts innovator, brought martial arts to the mainstream, gained real crossover appeal for asian actors, directors and martial artists as well as giving credibility for his chosen art.

    Coversley he was a 135lb, 5'7 martial artists who not only did not compete in any competitive events as an adult but even refused to do any full contact sparring!
    While he maintained some good fitness and above average strength for his weight, these in context mean very little.

    Talk to any competitive fighter of any discipline and they wil tell you that fights against real competition and battle hardening through full contact sparring are the most important elements of becoming a succesful fighter.

    I remeber watching a documentary about Kung Fu vs Muay Thai years ago and they had some examples of when fighters of both disciplines first met. In all the contests the results were the same, early, brutal KO victories to the Muay Thai guys, why?
    Because they were battle hardened competitive fighters who trained full contact at full power every day and honed their skills against progressivley better competition. By reports the Kung Fu guys thought they were absolutely barbaric!
    The Kung Fu guys who had trained in the typical martial arts way had no chance when the situations became realistic.

    In theory there was nothing wrong with what they had learned, and they were all fit, fast and strong yet this was way out if their comfort zone - sadly one that their training 'should' have prepared them for.

    So back to Bruce. How on earth could we expect a guy half the size of todays heavyweights with no "real" fight training or even full contact sparring (and skills limited to stand up) have a chance against todays speaclist athletes?
    We wouldn't and we shouldn't and unfortunately those who do just degenerate from the legacy of Bruce, which of course should be respected for what it is without exageration.
     
  4. kflex101

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    You are judging them both by very very different contexts!

    No one looks pretty while their opponent is trying to rip their head off, especially if that guy is close in levels of skills and experience.

    Imagine if someone came on here posting staged videos of themselves or a mate, fight scenes they have choreographed for weeks.
    The suggestion that this would somehow have any crossover in a real fighting application would be laughed off so hard!

    Like suggesting the guy who is great at F1 simulation will be the next Michael Schumacher, the guitar hero champ will be the next Angus Young etc.

    The only way to accurately evaluate whether someone is/would be a good fighter is to look at their experience and record against real opposition.
    With Bruce just like Jean Claude Van Damne they have nothing to go on. At a stretch we can use physical attributes as a gauge, but again here he would fall woefully short (excuse the pun) as he was very undersized compared to today's fighters.

    It is insulting to today's champs to suggest Bruce would come anywhere near them, even the lightweights who have experience of modern conditioning, a larger variety of technique (modern ground game is so much more developed) and the all important battle hardening as well as proven fight records.
    While Bruce if he were alive today would likely have had the tools to develop himself into a good competitive fighter, he would have needed to start sparring hard for a start to get anywhere near them!
     
  5. sugarngold

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    Let's put the Bruce Lee in MMA argument to bed, guys. It's been done over and over.

    Just in case no one noticed - Brock Lesnar is the UFC heavyweight champion. And who is helping to train him? Eric Paulson. Eric Paulson was trained in Jeet Kune Do by Dan Inosanto. Inosanto was Bruce Lee's chosen heir to teach JKD.

    So now we have a UFC champion with supplemental JKD training. I guarantee you that's where Brock learned that quarter nelson trick that he used to neutralize Frank Mir last night.
     
  6. Canibus81

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    And he had no real fight experince and became UFC heavyweight champion in only 4 fights. GSP wrestles better than a lot of the MMA fighters with large amounts of wrestling exerience so it's stupid for people to say Bruce couldn't handle himself in MMA when he already understood it in the 70's.
    And he hand tremedous amount of talnet and intellignce.
     
  7. Beebs

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    Giving you the benefit of the doubt because sarcasm can be difficult to detect.
     
  8. sugarngold

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    Thanks Beebs. I was being serious. I just like pointing out that there is at least a tenuous link between the UFC heavyweight champion and Jeet Kune Do.

    I have no doubt that under Eric Paulson's coaching, Brock can only become more and more dangerous in the octagon.
     
  9. sugarngold

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    Jeet Kune Do: The Way of the Intercepting Fist: JKD Fingerjab


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    Since no one ever believes a technique exists unless it's inside the octagon - I thought we should take a moment to look at this GIF from a recent UFC event.

    In the GIF we see Mirko Crocop use a lead fingerjab to intercept his opponent's attack.

    In brief - Bruce's ideas behind the fingerjab evolved out of his wing chun training when he combined it with the principles behind western fencing and boxing.

    We see several Jeet Kune Do concepts at work here:

    1) Closest weapon to the nearest target.
    Crocop uses a lead fingerjab as it is the closest weapon to his opponent.

    2) Economy of motion. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line. Like the lead jab in boxing, the fingerjab lashes straight out traveling the shortest distance to the target - in this case the opponent's eyes.

    3) Attack the opponents weakest point. Crocop attacks his opponent's eyes.

    4) The rear hand maintains defense. Crocop keeps his left hand high as he attacks. This allows him to deflect any incoming attacks.

    5) Attack by combination. Crocop takes advantage of the opening created by the fingerjab and follows up with a straight left cross.

    In this fight, Crocop was able to gain the advantage by temporarily blinding his opponent with a well placed fingerjab. He followed up with a barrage of punches to stop his opponent.

     
  10. Stuntin'

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    I was just reading up on the life of the legendary fighter and philosopher bruce Lee and came across some interesting information. Apparently he was one of the early advocates of vitamin C. Apparently the makers of Flinstone vitamins were going to leave that vitamin out until they became familiar with Lee's work and he convinced them.
     
  11. sugarngold

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    Stuntin: That's interesting. I've never heard that story before. Thanks for sharing.
     
  12. sugarngold

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    Does anyone else think it's strange how this thread always floats to the top whenever there's a UFC scheduled?
     
  13. rekcutnevets

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    It's unofficially hilarious.
     
  14. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    It's unofficially hilarious.
     
  15. sugarngold

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    So is your avatar. It could be worse - at least it's a pic of Oscar going out fighting instead of quitting on his stool.

    And I just wanted to say Bruce Lee --> Dan Inosanto --> Eric Paulson -->Brock Lesnar. JKD in the UFC.