Jeet Kune Do:The Way of the Intercepting Fist. Bruce Lee technique & philosophy VIDS

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by sugarngold, Jun 3, 2008.


  1. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    Sorry dude. Just thought it was funny that you, the op, was the one making it float to the top.

    As far as my avatar is concerned, I just found it a fitting end to Oscar's career. De la Hoya was a champion with as little character that I can think of, and I loved seeing his ultimate scheme punch him in the face.

    I am actually a proponent of Jeet Kune Do, but your post seems to devalue its effectiveness. A great art, in my opinion, should begin with its founder and evolve; not devolve.
     
  2. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is just a huge stretch, no actual connection at all.

    Brock trains under Greg Nelson, not Paulson. The only thing of Paulsons that Lesnar is really involved with is Combat Submission Wrestling, and even that is a stretch because his training in it is so geared towards his wrestling that it is almost unrelated to Paulson. He trains BJJ with Comprido. So essentially you have him training his wrestling with Nelson, high level wrestlers he brings into camp and the U Minnesota team, his BJJ with Comprido, striking boxing and Thai with Nelson and others, and his MMA gameplanning with Nelson, who produces guys like Sherk, Larson and Thompson; guys who would dominate a equally sized Lee. Brock has nothing at all to do with Bruce Lee. Nowhere in Brocks training is anything related to Bruce Lee; everything that he uses to be a great fighter Bruce was totally ignorant too or even discouraged; he is walking proof that Lee was all talk.

    To be a succesful fighter you don't start with Kung Fu and then add bits and pieces of rudimentary grappling, you don't reinvent boxing when it has more or less been perfected through centuries or actually fighting, which brings me to my main point: you don't become a good fighter or develop good ideas by never fighting and mixing clever marketing with cliché stolen "philosophical" statements.

    Lesnar is really much closer to proving just how much of a fraud Lee was than how good he was.
     
  3. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    I retract that statement, as I don't think that is what you meant. Initially, I took the arrows to be greater than symbols. On a sober look, they look like arrows.
     
  4. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    You always crack me up, Beebs!

    But Lee did fight - he just didn't compete in rules regulated simulated combat. He trained with the champions of the world: Chuck Norris, Haward Nishioka, Bob Wall, and his protege was the best karateka of the era - Joe Lewis who went on to use the principles shown to him by Lee to basically invent western style kickboxing and become the first heavyweight champion.
     
  5. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So then claim that Lee helped develop a great kickboxer ( although he was already a talented fighter) but don't claim that a guy who spent his whole life wrestling (which aler was not a capable trainer or participant, or even beleiever) and is now training with a camp that produces guys basically the same as him is at all related to Lee.
     
  6. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    I'm just saying that the basic principles of JKD are helping Lesnar adapt to MMA. It's not meant as any disrespect to Lesnar's wrestling credentials. It's just that JKD proponents have understood the blend of ranges that translate well to MMA for years - long before the inception of the UFC. Reading Bruce's books gave me an immediate understanding of MMA when I sat and watched UFC 1 live - minus the complexities brought in by Braizlian jiujustu - of course.
     
  7. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This claim that JKD was somehow the first or even one or the first to look at fighting as a whole is one of the least undersandable lies in the world. Jack Dempsey's How To Fight Tough was decades before and miles more advanced than any work Lee did.
     
  8. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    Beebs - I always enjoy these discussions with you - but I feel like I'm making a defense for an argument that Im not trying to make. I wasn't trying to claim that JKD was the first to look at combat as a whole - I mean good God - we can go all the way back to Pankration for that. I am just saying there is value in Bruce's teachings and findings. You always have more points than I have time to address - but Bruce Lee actually cited Dempsey's book on championship fighting for proper methods of throwing a punch. Lee's library was very extensive and he studied everything he could get his hands on. His favorite boxers included Jack Dempsey, Rocky Marciano, Gene Tunney, Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe Walcott, and Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali.
     
  9. wingchung

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    thats because your a ******.
     
  10. wingchung

    wingchung Active Member Full Member

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    what do you study and how long?
     
  11. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    No need to get hostile. Beebs and I are having a civilized discussion about the arts.
     
  12. TKDfighterJoe

    TKDfighterJoe Oneshot Knockout Full Member

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    lol you have no idea who you are talking to.

    hostility is his middle name
     
  13. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    That isn't true. GSP has been using sidekicks, spinning back kicks etc for ages.
     
  14. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    100%.

    Alot of what is taught in martial arts such as Aikido can be employed on your average joe but not well trained fighters. Sure you could pull off the odd move maybe but by and large it is ineffective.
     
  15. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    ...and there is irrefutable proof of this. Lee was a specimen but then a I think a gymnast may be able to do what he does. We'd never say a gymnast is as finely tuned as modern mixed martial artists who train to the highest degree in at least 5 combat sports and dedicated themself 100% to it.