Jeff Chandler Discussion!

stonehammer is right about him complaining to the ref a lot in those fights.He clowned about a lot in the Muniz loss as well, looked like he was just treating it as a sparring session.

Not sure why, as in previous fights he had seemed at home fighting rough and up close, as well as taking the vicious bodyshots of Canizales with a steely determination.Mayb with the eye issues he had, it hit him during the Sandoval fight he wasn't going to have enough to win it and just let frustration at getting beat get the better of him.

imo Canizales and Murata were chandler's best opponents, though Murata didn't seem to have much left after the two 15 round draws with Pintor and jeff.Very short prime.

 

As always I appreciate your insights and demeanor!

Wow you mentioned David Love, one of the few boxers who the mere mention of their name leaves an acrid taste in my mouth. as a kid I remember believing Willie "The Worm" Monroe was the greatest MW ever and a clear notch above Hagler (Go ahead and laugh I don't care)...I thought he was on the verge of getting a title shot when he battled Love. In a period of 6 months love had stopped my 2 favorite fighters in Monroe and watts...I am not ashamed to admit that I cried on both occasions!

It was a golden age of sorts for the MW division. hagler is still considered an adopted son by many of us in Philly. he was one of the few that was willing to travel into Philly and take on our MW's many of whom were relegated to continuosly fighting one another and eliminating each other from future title considerations. Marv did get shafted by a hometown decision in watts, but still openly acknowledges Monroe as the only guy to ever beat him legitimately and give him a boxing lesson as well.

 

Duo's right as well.Back when he was active Chandler got the massive hype a good American sub-feather champ can always expect.He was in no way obscure or lacking in plaudits.

 

As above jeff also claimed to have hurt his shoulder in the week leading up to the sandoval fight and recieved and injection an hour prior to the fight. He claims by the 3rd round he could not feel his arm....Not sure as to the severity or truth of these claims, but to me this clearly is not the same Joltin' Jeff people were accostomed to seing. leads me to believe there was some element of truth in this claim?

 

I remember a story that Jeff was ganged up on in a street fight, and this bantamweight was holding off these attackers when one of them stabbed him in the back, and he felt the blood run down. He was a legitimately tough guy, not simply a specialist with gloves. (I also seem to remember a mean scar on his shoulder.)

 

Immediately after Monroe-Hagler I, Marv's mother Ida Mae, sitting at ringside, turned to a companion and said, "You know, Marvin lost," even before the decision was announced. Nobody was laughing. Russell Peltz said Monroe could've beaten any MW in the world that night, and I'd imagine you were elated when Parker destroyed San Diego's Love (which forever wiped David out of contention, as he then ended his career on an 0-4-1 skid).

Hagler's Philly campaign made him a legend, and it was his near decapitation of The Worm in their rubber match which finally cemented his reputation in Philly. Julius Erving's 76ers would soon resume the old 1960's Boston-Philly sports rivalry in NBA basketball with Larry Bird's Celtics. (Dr. J. a UMass product and graduate, was regarded highly enough by Celtics fans to have his number 6 in 76ers colors on display throughout his final season, and had a retirement ceremony for his final game in Boston where Bird and Red Auerbach awarded him with a framed piece of the parquet floor. When it became apparent that Philly was going to win game seven of the 1982 Eastern Conference Finals, the chant went up from the Boston fans in the closing seconds, "Beat LA! Beat LA! Beat LA!"

As tremendous as these rivalries were, whether it was in the NBA, or NHL (between the Big Bad Bruins and Broad Street Bullies of the early 1970s), or in boxing between Hagler and the Philly contenders of the 1970s, there's an underlying current of respect involved. (And when Boston's Vinnie Curto decisioned Briscoe in the Hynes Auditorium in December 1980, more than a few Bostonians were openly rooting for Bennie, and booing Curto.)

 

I was glad that Parker beat Love, but personally take no joy about Love's slide at the end. Although he ruined a major part of my childhood hopes and dreams I don't wish him any ill...Not sure that the younger version of myself would concur though!

I had always hated Boston (No offense) untill that chant began...It forever changed my feelings towards that city as well the way in which they honored Doc during his retirement season...Doc, Bird and Magic at the helm of these rivalries still stick in my mind. I remember the SI issue with Andrew Toney and Bird on the cover calling Toney the Boston Strangler...but now we digress...Thanks for recalling some exciting years for me.

 

Well, Curtis did that to Love over 32 years ago, so I certainly have to wonder what your sentiments might have been at the time, about a Philly guy "avenging" another Philly guy.

The whole reason the Celtics obtained Dennis Johnson was specifically to stop Andrew Toney. If DJ gets into the Basketball HOF, it will be Toney who nudges him over the top.

When the All-Star Game rolled around, I just wanted to see us, Philly and Boston guys playing together, whether under Billy C., Bill Fitch, or KC Jones, kick the Western Conference's (and their usual coach, Pat Riley) asses. (Weird to root for that weasel Laimbeer though.)

 

there is the world boxing hall of fame ceremony every year out here in California and Pintor is already in it. Good place to get picks of yourself w/ your favorites, as it is pretty laidback and enjoyable. I guess where you live has a lot to do w/ who you hear people say was best, because on this side of the country, Chandler was never put over Pintor in career. Pintor gets acclaim because he was a terrific fighter who fought all the best and then still came back to beat a good fighter (Meza) for another title after he was washed up. Pintor's career was the stuff of legends, while Chandler's was boring by comparison against lower quality fighters. And don't ever think being from the eastcoast doesn't help get in HOFs. HOFs anywhere mean nothing anyway. It generally picks the loud guys while a lot of guys who just let their talent talk for them are left out. For instance in all sports football-Stabler, Riley not in; baseball-Concepcion not in, yet Ozzie is; Chandler in, not Pintor. I don't lnow who uour experts are, but we (for a clarification, as I explained in an earlier blog, WE stands for the boxing fans I know and knew out on the west coast) never felt Jeff. was a far greater champ. And as far as him being the most famous bantie champ and a HUGE star, this is assinine and simply not true. He was on tv. So was Pintor. In primetime in Dec. 1980. and overall, more times. This is just making stuff up to justify an opinion and brings the rest of the blog down. it is one of the best matchups that never happened though. others Snchez-Pedrza; Duran-Arguello; Robinson-Cerdan; Saad-Spinks; La Motta-Zale; Tyson=Foeman; Fletcher-Hamsho; Duran-Cervantes; CUEVAS-PALOMINO (my fav) Little Red-Gomez btw for a great bantie fight, get Zamora-Superfly actionpacked

 

Found this on Chandler.

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/0001-hanley.html

 

Not sure; this is a real attractive matchup with both fighters bringing a lot of what bothered the other guy to the table, so I could just as easily see either man winning.

Chandler looks great early, as Pintor always took a few rounds to get going, and then Chandler would be forced to trade a bit more. If he thought Gaby was a body puncher..........whoo.

 

I'm assuming you know about the beatdowns Curtis supposedly gave Michael Spinks, Thomas Hearns, and a couple of others in sparring sessions?