Jeff Chandler vs Carlos Zarate

Hey, I like Chandler. I just think he's getting too much kudos because a select few are pushing him to be something he's not. Yes, bloody good. In a good crowd of borderline great champs.

But not one of THE best bantams. Not IMO anyway.

 

I think he's got a case for 9-15 all time at bantamweight. He suffers a bit from Orlando Canizales Syndrome, in that he tends to look good on film (at least during his peak), but suffers from a lack of top tier opposition. A bit less of a dramatic case, though, because his opposition was consistently better throughout his reign.

Still, a hell of a fighter at his best. One that gives THE best bantams all sorts of trouble, no matter who they are.

 

Oh, he has better oppo' than Orlando.

11-20 I can live with.

 

I kinda like the idea of trolling flea. Especially when he returns to forum high as a kite.

With that in mind I'm saying chandler by shutout. Different level technician. Up there with Floyd and Lopez.

 

:twisted: I get trolled more than anyone!

 

I think this sums it up best. Chandler beat far better opposition than O.Canizales. Somebody on here once compared Chandler to BHop stylistically. A high level fighter with skills and someone who could definitely turn a fight ugly, spoil a bit. Chandler is in my top 10. I don't rate Zarate quite in the Jofre/Olivares realm. I think Chandler could give Zarate all he could handle. He's a tough day at the office for anybody. He wasn't chinny, could outbox, was surprisingly good on the inside and could be borderline dirty. Watch him against Murata (a rugged mother****er). And he beat several different styles of fighter. I don't make the case for him in the top 5, but to think those guys blow him out is unrealistic I think.

 

As you've already pretty much admitted and have been told about by others, you don't have a grasp on the quality of all of Zarate's scalps, nor understand how impressive it is he demolished them.

 

Alright I've done a bit of research and I've got to admit Carlos' resume is pretty poor in title fights but this is what I came up for what it's worth

Amores June 75..BI 14 ...... WBA 7 .......fought July 75.....WKO 3 non title

Sosa ..Aug 75..-BI 4 ......July 75 WBA 3 ...fought Sept 75..WTKO 4 non title

Cabanela closest i can find.....April 77 BI 7.....fought Feb 77..WTKO 3 title.

then the others you mentioned
Ferreri
Martinez
Zamora
Davila
there are others you could mention like Nestor Baba Jiminez, a perennial contender more so after the Zarate fight and Jorge Torres rated at 12 flyweight BI time he fought Zarate but he'd been campaigning as high as super feather, don't know what the weights were when he fought Zarate.

 

I didn't come across any of the scribes in Jeff's day thinking of him as one of of the best ever much less having the number 1 place. Jeff was a good boxer with decent enough tools but an entire class below Zarate who would not have needed a ko to beat Jeff.

 

KO Magazine listed him among the Top 10 in their year end polls for a couple of years, IIRC.

 

While that's impressive was Chandler ever considered the best boxer on the planet. Cause Zarate was. Over Duran and Benitez and Monzon.