Jeff Fenech vs Manny Pac- Prime 4 Prime, Who Takes It?

Im still not sure about that, I mean Pac has not beaten an elite natural 130 pounder really.

He has mostly feasted on guys who made the same moves in weight as he did.

Pac looked pretty devastating at 122-126 and though he didnt have the as many big wins there he beat some good contenders. That range is probably Fenech's prime weight.

 

Pretty spot on there MSTR
If there was nothing doing at 130 Pac wouldnt be there because he is a smaller guy physically, he comes in a couple of pounds below the limit.

Hell even only a few years ago he used to come in at 120 for superbantem fights, strong as **** and fast as ever.

 

Fenech was damm good in his prime

 

you have to be blind to consider 126 as the better weight for pac. yes, it did put him on the boxing map but pac's version at 130 will beat his version at 126 becuase of themany advancements in his technique that he went through

 

my point is simple. i'm not here to argue if he pac can still make 126 or 122. yes, he was a monster there. but if you put all things aside and look at the totality of pac's game, his version at 130 is the best so i'd say that pac is peaking at the moment at 130.

yes he was great at 122, but got clocked by skinny hussein and was a beneficiary of a long count to save his ass. you aussies should know this. at his first taste at 126, he was sent down to the canvass by an unheralded journeyman serikzan yeshmagambetov.

has pac been sent down at 130? nope, because his defence got better. one could argue that the impact of pacs power diminished when he moved up in weight but there is no denying that he is a better fighter at 130 that in any other weight where he competed in

 

Yeh i agree with you and Whatarock.
Pac wouldnt be up at 130pds if it wasnt for Morales who wanted to fight him.
Id pit Pacman at 126pds at his prime.
And against Fenech at 126pds too.
Even at 130pds he gave Azumah a good fight(whether or not azumah was ill).
Also i think a Raheem type style would be a hard fight for Morales at any weight, but he would have won earlier in his career.
Damm i didnt want him to face Raheem.

 

he lost to morales because morales was the better fighter that night plain and simple. it was not a shame to lose to morales that night but it does not mean that because he lost to morales, that he was better at 126. to add to that, it was his first fight at 130. if he did not improve, why the hell did he beat morales twice after. he did beat larrios didn't he? he decked him twice. what the hell is performing poorly with that?

if the pac who fought jmm was the same pac who fought morales, he should have lost by a bigger margin.

are you also telling me that that performance was poor because he didn't ko larrios? it was poor because it was not exciting enough? damn man.

 

Larios was getting stung by Vasquez and got dropped, but didnt he win via cut stoppage?
Also i agree with you i do not give Pacman much credit for his wins over Erik Morales, Morales in their fisrt fight won.
Then after that he was not the same fighter. You could make a case he wasnt in their first fight but hetill took the win.
Pacman has got overhyped by many dueto his wins over morales, i mean people are saying he is better than floydatsch .
As the underdog said, Larios was at a higher weight (8 pounds), so he didnt have to cut weight and he would have been stronger and been able to take a shot better than ever, also he would have been up for that fight, Knowing a win or a good showing will get him some more $$$.
Morales is a legend:good

 

vasquez is a beast at 122. larrios got older and needed to move up in weight. he drains himself to make 122. if you compare israel's win over a weight drained larrios from pac's win over larrios in what could just be the best shape of his entire career, then you're mistaken.

and yes, i agree with you MSTR that his best win ever was at 126. but it does not have to mean though that it was his peak.