Jeff Horn vs. Gary Corcoran

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The Hornet or the Hellraiser?

Poll closed Dec 13, 2017.
  1. Horn on points

    27.5%
  2. Horn by stoppage

    55.0%
  3. Draw

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Corcoran on points

    5.0%
  5. Corcoran by stoppage

    12.5%
  1. Paranoid Android

    Paranoid Android Manny Pacquiao — The Thurmanator banned Full Member

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    The vast majority of boxers, boxing media, and other sports celebrities alike had Pacquiao winning clear. Even the Joy Boys, who would love nothing more than to see Pacquiao knocked out and retired, came out in droves saying that Pacquiao won. You belong to a very small minority that believes Horn won.

    Bob Velin (USA Today) – [url]115-112 Pacquiao[/url]
    Nick Tylwalk (FanSided) – [url]116-112 Pacquiao[/url]
    Steve Bunce (BoxNation) – [url]115-113 Horn[/url]
    Mike Sloan (Sherdog) – [url]116-111 Pacquiao[/url]
    Gary Randall (Sherdog) – [url]116-112 Horn[/url]
    Mike Fridley (Sherdog) – [url]115-112 Horn[/url]
    Gary Parrish (CBS Sports) – [url]Pacquiao won[/url]
    Brian Campbell (CBS Sports) – [url]114-114[/url]
    Jason McIntyre (Fox Sports 1) – [url]Pacquiao won[/url]
    Dieter Kurtenbach (Fox Sports) – [url]Pacquiao won[/url]
    Skip Bayless (Fox Sports) – [url]Horn won[/url]
    Josh Katzowitz (Forbes) – [url]115-112 Pacquiao[/url]
    Brian Mazique (Forbes) – [url]114-114[/url]
    Fraser Coffeen (Bloody Elbow) – [url]116-112 Pacquiao[/url]
    Anton Tabuena (Bloody Elbow) – [url]Pacquiao won[/url]
    Bad Left Hook – [url]116-111 and 115-113 Pacquiao[/url]
    Mike Coppinger (Ring Magazine) – [url]Pacquiao won[/url]
    Michael Rosenthal (Ring Magazine) – [url]116-112 Pacquiao[/url]
    Ryan Songalia (Ring Magazine and Rappler) – [url]117-110 Pacquiao[/url]
    Doug Fischer (Ring Magazine) – [url]116-112 or 115-113 Pacquiao[/url]
    Mike Baca II (Ring Magazine and Undisputed Champion Network) – [url]“I’ve already rewatched. 115-113 Pac was the lowest I could go…”[/url]
    Steve Kim (Undisputed Champion Network) – [url]Pacquiao won[/url]
    Lance Pugmire (LA Times) – [url]116-112 Pacquiao[/url]
    Boxing News – [url]115-113 Pacquiao (Verdict: Close fight, no robbery)[/url]
    Michael Wilbon (ESPN) – [url]Pacquiao won[/url]
    Dan Rafael (ESPN) – [url]117-111 Pacquiao[/url]
    Marcellus Wiley (ESPN) – [url]Pacquiao won[/url]
    Ramona Shelburne (ESPN) – [url]Pacquiao won[/url]
    Nigel Collins (ESPN) – [url]114-113 Pacquiao (“Disagree w/ the “robbery” talk.”)[/url]
    Stephen A. Smith (ESPN) – Pacquiao robbed!!!!
    Teddy Atlas (ESPN) – 116-111 Pacquiao
    Arash markazi (ESPN) – [url]Pacquiao won[/url]
    T.J. Quinn (ESPN) – [url]Pacquiao won (“This is a hometown hit job. Manny looked old, but mostly in control.”)[/url]
    Salvador Rodriguez‏ (ESPN) – [url]116-112 Pacquiao[/url]
    Greg Bishop (Sports Illustrated) – [url]117-111 Pacquiao[/url]
    Al Bernstein (Showtime Sports) – [url]“I could see a draw or close for Pac”[/url]
    Chris Mannix (Yahoo! Sports) – [url]Pacquiao won[/url]
    Kevin Iole (Yahoo! Sports) – [url]115-113 for Pacquiao[/url]
    Gareth A. Davies (The Telegraph) – [url]115-113 Pacquiao[/url]
    Jay Cowan (Spike Sports) – [url]115-112 Pacquiao[/url]
    Marcos Villegas (Fight Hub TV) – [url]“I had him (Pacquiao) up by one point.”[/url]
    Jonathan Snowden (Bleacher Report) – [url]“I had Manny Pacquiao in a close fight.”[/url]
    ******* – [url]116-112 Pacquiao[/url]
    Ryan Phillips (The Big Lead) – [url]116-111 Pacquiao[/url]
    Lou DiBella (promoter) – [url]116-112 Pacquiao[/url]
    DJ Gallo (The Guardian) – [url]117-111 pacquiao[/url]
    Ben Thompson (Fight Hype) – [url]115-112 Pacquiao[/url]
    Jeff Powell (The Daily Mail) – [url]Pacquiao robbed[/url]
    Bob Sheridan (commentator) – 114-114
    Eric Raskin (Former writer for ESPN and Grantland) – [url]114-114[/url]
    Graham Houston (Boxing Monthly) – [url]114-114 (“Cd. have gone either way.”)[/url]
    Martin Chesnutt (Boxing Monthly) – [url]115-112 Pacquiao (“…but was comfortable with 115-113 either way.”)[/url]
    Andrew Harrison (Boxing Monthly) – [url]116-113 Horn[/url]
    Adam Abramowitz‏ (Saturday Night Boxing and Transnational Boxing Rankings board member) – [url]116-111 Pacquiao[/url]
    Rafael G (The Fight City) – [url]“Pacquiao won by 2 or 3 points.”[/url]
    Lee Wylie (The Fight City) – [url]Pacquiao won (“…certainly not a robbery. Close fight.”)[/url]
    Patrick Connor‏ (BWAA/IBRO member) – [url]Pacquiao won[/url]
    Michael Montero (Montero On Boxing) – [url]116-112 Pacquiao[/url]
    Behind the Gloves – [url]117-110 Pacquiao[/url]

    55 for Pacquiao, 7 for Horn, 5 draw

    Lennox Lewis
    Guillermo Rigondeaux
    Juan Manuel Marquez
    Timothy Bradley
    Erik Morales
    Billy Joe Saunders
    Sergio Mora
    Ray Beltran
    Cornelius Bundrage
    Paulie Malignaggi (Horn won by a point)

    A whole bunch of MMA/NBA/NFL stars.

    Samuel L. Jackson :ARMS1:

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  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Really interesting question, and there is a lot to unpack there.

    Lomachenko is this heavenly marriage of almost unfairly gifted athleticism blended with impeccable fundamentals (drilled for untold hours in the gym until ingrained like 2nd nature) that are executed not just correctly but PERFECTLY, and with a penchant for razzle-dazzle/flair/showmanship to boot. In short, Hi-Tek is video game character good. Crawford meanwhile is pretty flawless himself, and does very little wrong per se but does everything with less pizzazz than Lomachenko. Bud is doing - I won't say more with less (athleticism), but achieving the same net levels of effectiveness with less. His versatility (ambidextrous, equally comfortable inside and out) and capacity to adapt to his opponents in real time is rare in this sport - but then so is Loma's.

    The most apt comparison I can make will only be comprehensible to basketball nerds, but:

    Loam is the (prime) Kobe Lakers.
    Crawford is the Duncan Spurs.
     
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  3. SnatchBox

    SnatchBox Boxing Full Member

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    Plz don't bring up "stars" lollll.

    And OMG Samuel Jackson thought pac won. Whoopi Goldberg had Horn winning so null and void
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Exactly, being correct isn't a popularity contest, nor should it be mod rules. Most people thought Galileo a stupid heretic at one time.

    If you know how to score, objectively, under the given rule set and on a RBR basis, you can not say this was a "clear" win for Pac.
     
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  5. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't really know my BB, being from the UK. Would a Messi and Ronaldo comparison be similar? Like, one time they do something crazy, everybody says they are the greatest ever, the next week, a piece of magic from the other to show those miracles happen twice. I have Crawford slightly over Loma because I think he has the better defence, like I pick Ronaldo over Messi because he's a more complete player, rather than skilled one. I think I go for more complete boxers, rather than those skilled ones. Like GGG has been top of my P4P list for years, just from doing the basics really, really well.
     
  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Just for the record, my pick in this would have been Horn to stop Corcoran late even a year ago (before the Pac fight, where 99% of fans saw Horn for the first time).

    As of the end of 2016, he didn't seem like a potential world beater exactly but Horn did already have a pretty nice resume for so few bouts and was definitely the cream of the crop domestically and knocking at the door of being fringe world class. Meanwhile we had already seen Corcoran ground down by Williams (and I never thought Williams to be much better than Horn, and wouldn't pick him confidently in a Corcoran rematch). On styles Horn's all wrong for Corcoran, plus a full level above him.
     
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  7. heerko koois

    heerko koois Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Is the Coco guy any good?
     
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  8. inner2deepz

    inner2deepz Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Maybe i need to watch it again. I thought pac won. Bradley vs pac wasn’t close Manny won.
     
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  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Yeah because he struggled with Burns so badly, and has so much to be ashamed of in that performance..
     
  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I had the former 116-112 Horn, the latter 115-113 Pac (definitely shouldn't have gone Bradley's way but hardly the robbery of the century either)
     
  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Update: while Dan Rafael and others have been reporting a 6:15am start time for the ESPN broadcast, I just checked the actual cable programming schedule on my TV and they have SportsCenter in the 6am timeslot with Horn vs. Corcoran to follow, penciled in from 6:30 until 7:30am. So they probably won't be diddling around with anything else on the undercard, just in an out for the main event (sandwiched by some blah-blah), wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am. :thumbsup:
     
  12. lloydturnip

    lloydturnip Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Horn beat an older smaller fighter in his own backyard .This fight could be difficult second fight against an unknown opponent the same size weight and similar age .Has Horn got distracted? Might be worth a punt!
     
  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Horn already has beaten a higher class of fighter than Corcoran (before he fought Pac)
     
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  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    This was his biggest step up, @ upper-tier domestic level:
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    Acquitted himself well, but lost. Williams then went on to lose twice in a row to Beefy Smith, whom you may remember from when a one-handed Canelo thrashed him last year)
     
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  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Odds:

    Horn 1/8
    Corcoran 11/2
     
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