Jeff Mayweather: Carbajal = Pacquiao = Red Flag

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  1. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would take Carbajal over Manny at flyweight all day long, so I dunno about this 'much better' thing. Not at flyweight. Mayweather just constantly pretends he doesn't know how young Manny was at that weight. There are other fighters who've made similar jumps, including super high profile fighters like Duran, Robinson and Armstrong. They didn't even HAVE roids when Armstrong and Ray were fighting.
     
  2. Relentless

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    what are you, alfonso's butt buddy?
     
  3. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Manny as he moved up has been getting very "creative" in how he operates in the ring and how he's able to get the most out of his natrual abilities. It's not like Manny is the SAME OL MANNY from 126 or 106. Manny has vastly improved in the skills dept and amazingly he's been able to keep his power as he's moved up in weight. His speed has diminished a bit which is expected but he's still faster than anyone at WW aside from Floyd where he matches him in speed.

    For you to dismiss Manny's evolution as he's rose in weight is an indication taht you have an biased point of view that is against Manny where you are picking and choosing what to acknowledge that supports your opinion.
     
  4. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :goodExcellent post
     
  5. NALLEGE

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    Shat da fack ap lol...
     
  6. NALLEGE

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    The way he fights these bigger guys is not the way he fought MAB, JMM or EM. He was basic becuase those guys could hit with either hand, and they knew how to box. Going up in weight while some say Pac is/was at a disadvantage, he also owns a lot of advantages oer bigger men which is why fighters like him go up in weight. And please...when a man is ko'd twice at 112, goes to 122, 126, 130, 135, 140, and 147, and is stopping people, do you think fans will go, PAc isn't on roids, he is the most humble man alive, he'd never use...please! Pac is innocent until proven guilty, but when Pac refused the blood test for the Floyd fight, the red flag went up.
     
  7. NALLEGE

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    Sorry, but fighters don't feel this way, only fans do. Second, why did Pac ask Cotto to weigh in at 145??? This question has not been answered properly yet...
     
  8. nhojrem

    nhojrem Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :dead
     
  9. nhojrem

    nhojrem Well-Known Member Full Member

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    what do you think jmm felt when floyd cmo over their agreed weight limit?
     
  10. NALLEGE

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    Manny has always fought the same way. Manny could always fight. Like Nigel Benn, Pac was forced to learn how to get into tp top shape instead of throwing punches until you got tired. You learn a few things, but boxing is reaction/proaction. You can learn all you want until a man imposes his will on you. Pac has passed that part of the test, and has done well for himself...
     
  11. The steroids have allowed Manny to train longer hours with Roach to learn all his improved boxing skills. Everything Pacquiao has accomplished can be attributed to his abuse of illegal PEDs.
     
  12. bigdog2001

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    haha good try fellas. Shows how ignorant you are in the new line of
    PEDS. They said you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Well it somewhat applies to boxing. Just look at this drug that i have personally used. We need to expose alot of fighters that take this along with epo and hgh. Mainly European fighthers and fighters here in the states with a high interest.


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    IGF protects the neurons of the brain as well as promotes growth of new motor neurons, making it more possible to rapidly learn new skills during its use. IGF-1 is also responsible in connective tissue production, improves collagen formation and aids in cartilage repair. Similarly, it affects the bones by aiding in bone production and repair.
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  13. Toontoon

    Toontoon Boxing Junkie banned

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    This could have all been forgotten pretty quickly if he had just taken the tests, the fact that it's still being discussed 3 months after the fight fell through goes to show that more people are suspicious of him now than before.

    Releasing soundbites about how Mayweather is scared won't change the fact that they have ran away from a test that athletes all around the World take, if anything he should have been happy to take the tests if he isn't on anything to prove to all of the doubters that he is the real deal.
     


  14. So this insulin stuff makes you healthier, stronger, faster, bigger and smarter?


    Why is it illegal to use?



    Do they have new steroids that also make you psychic, allow you to levitate or time travel? Maybe one that instantly changes your gender? :blood
     
  15. charlievint

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    He's always been agressive....but if you are trying to tell me he's still one demensional with poor balance and the same kind of ring intelligence you are kidding NO ONE. Manny deserves a lot of credit for building on a limited start to his career. He didn't have a lot of resources to prepare in an enviornment that would promote a legacy like he's built. Until he came to the US and linked up with Roach Manny got by on his natrual gifts of speed, power and athletisim...his skills were very raw but had a natrual fighters instinct. i admit you still see some of the old PAC with his left hand, but he's got a belt full of tools that are now apart of his offensive arsenal with much improved defensive skills. Is he Floyd jr....Hell no, but no one really has the kind of polish and skills floyd has...but that's not to say Floyd won't have his hands full with manny.