Jeffries-Corbett I: scoring the NYT report, and other questions.

Well he could certainly have beaten Finnegan and Munroe on the same night.Both those mentioned would have been worthier opponents imo.Add Johnson in 1905,thats three he could have met ,in answer to your question.Jeffries in essence rematched older versions of men he had allready beaten.

 

One thing which might cause confusion, though, as I've been thinking about it. We are projecting our views on how a fight should be scored back over 110 years to an era when they had just come out of the bare-knuckle era and were feeling their way into how to judge a fight. I remember reading a report on the Jeffries-Sharkey fight which had Sharkey winning 18 rounds and still saw Jeff as the winner because of a strong finish and more damage done. In his autobiography Jack Dempsey make clear he thought a man who hurt his opponent in the last round and had him in trouble or down at the bell deserved to win the fight even if he had lost all the way to the final knockdown. Did the people of that era care that much who was ahead on rounds? Did they consider bloodying or swelling up an opponent as more important than we do? Why was there a consensus that Corbett was ahead over the decades? After all, whatever Corbett said, Jeffries and Brady and many spectators must have also given their views.

 

Martin had a fragile body, which in an era of body punching was as bad as a glass chin ( which he also had ) is today. Old reported records say Jeffries Ko'd Martin.

Regarding reports, a detailed round by round is what you look for. I will take a very good round by round from an “average " boxing newspaper over a few sentences from the from one of the better ones.

The NY Times has a good report.

 

I have to comment on McVey's statements regarding Tom Sharkey.

Sharkey was a bull of a fighter and tho 5' 8", he was strong as a
bull.

Lets remember that "Iron" Mike Tyson was about 5' 11" and fought and
beat 6' 5" Tyrell Biggs and 6' 4" BoneCrusher Smith, among others.

Sharkey was one tough guy and if you watch his second fight with
Jeffries, you will surely agree.

Still, McVey - I value your opinion and boxing fans like you & Mendoza
keep the fight game alive!!! Keep posting those great comments!!!

Grebfan9
www.firstroundboxing.com

 

I'm thinking the NY Times printed a "wire" report, actually. It was printed in many other newspapers the same day, possibly from AP. The other NY newspapers I listed had their own reports.

 

Sharkey was indeed a bull of a fighter ,but he was kod by a body shot from Fitzsimmons ,and at 5 8 was conceding 6 inches in height to Jeffries and 32 lbs in weight.Tyson at around 5 11 was considerably shorter than Biggs and Smith ,but he was a decent sized heavyweight,who weighed more than Sonny Liston ,Tyson scaled 219 for Smith , who, at 233 had a 14 lbs advantage.Tyson weighed 216 for Biggs, Biggs 228 3/4.Tysons weight averaged out at 220 ,37 lbs more than a fit Sharkey.

 

I have to laugh when I see reports of Jeffries vaunted strength.
If you are up to 10 years younger than your opponent ,and outweigh him by up to 40lbs , you should be the stronger man shouldn't you?
Jeffries met only one man near his own size ,as champ ,Ruhlin,and he conceded 18lbs to Jeffries.

 

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Laugh then, You looky silly McVey. Jeffries was one of the strongest men ever to hold the heavyweight title. Jeffries could have been a power lifter.

Ah, I suppose you want proof. There is a picutre of him hositing two grown men over his shoulders with each arm. Good enough?

How about flim examples? Jeffries picked Johnson up with one arm and depsoited him on the other side of his body.

He also lifted Tom Sharkey off his feet over his head, then decided not to body slam him. I think you should watch / see the photos or films sometime. You might change perception...if you get past player hating.

 

There is a picture of Jimmy Wilde hositing Jess Willard and Primo carnera over his head,I just don't have it to hand at the moment:yep
I look forward with interest to your montage of pictorial proof.Jack London,who was actually at the Jeffries Johnson fight ,said that Jeffries was manhandled easily by Johnson,so Jack must have been superhuman if he could do that to a man who could do the feats you have described!
And you think I'm going to "looky silly"?:rofl
ps Welcome back M,did you get married?:good

 

Yes, I got hitched, and bought a home. I'm back. Well sort off. Still much to do in the real world. At any rate McVey, you should know by now that when I say something, its there. When have I failed to produce a fight report or picture. I don't haveuplaod ability now, but its there.

I suggest you watch the fights I spoke about, or look for the picture I mentioned. Then, and only then will you be able to comment on equal footing.

Regarding Johnson, Its easy to push around a fighter who's tired and past his prime. And that's what he did at the end of the fight. If you watch the existing rounds from 1-9, you will note in most of the clinches, it is Johnson who is being pushed backwards in clinches, not Jeffries.

 

I think you will find that I have seen all the footage extant on James Jackson Jeffries, so we are on equal terms there my friend.I have not seen pictures of Jeffries performing the feats you have described ,perhaps you would be kind enough to tell me where they are to be found?
Congratulations on your nuptials ,ATB in your new life together.