Jeffries - Fitz Sparring Tour

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  1. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    One of the many fascinating sub-plots uncovered in Adam's outstanding book on Jeffries, "Inside the Ring w James J. Jeffries", is the lost to history story of how Jeffries and Fitz, after their brutal second bout, became friends, sparring partners and actually toured the country together, sparring each other and taking on all comers .. I personally find this to be fascinating and unique ... any thoughts by any of you guys ?
     
  2. Mendoza

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    I find that interesting as well especially since Jeffries felt Fitzsimmons cheated by doing something to his gloves in the re-match. How many matches did the two have on tour?
     
  3. janitor

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    The story about Fitz using loaded gloves gets a bit blown out of proportion. Jeffries was paranoid about his oponents using substances on their wraps to make them more dangerous, and the story might simply come from this.

    After their second fight a mutual respect and ultimately a close friendship developed between the two men.
     
  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I don't think Fitz needed loaded gloves; he was a power broker in the truest sense of the term.

    I am almost done with the Pollack's Jeffries book. Mendoza, I highly recommend this since you are big Jeff fan. A great read, ridiculously researched and gives you a great sense of the time and environment surrounding sport at the turn of the last century.
     
  5. he grant

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    And after reading this book you feel Ingo J. knocks out Fitz in a round or two ?
     
  6. he grant

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    No really sure but Adam may very well know ...
     
  7. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Fitzsimmons is desperately in need of a top-class bio.
     
  8. Seamus

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    If he catches him. It would be two guys setting traps all night. Could be boring as hell for a number of rounds, then over in an instant.
     
  9. Rasch

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    I haven't read Adam's book but all the other Fitz biographies I've read cover this too.

    Wasn't it on one of these tours with Fitz where Jack Munroe came out of the audience to take on Jeffries and all the controversy about whether he floored Jeffries and won their fight/exhibition started?
     
  10. he grant

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    That's assuming if they are in the same class as fighters ... to me Fitz light years better ... it's like comparing Arturo Gatti and Roberto Duran ...
     
  11. Rasch

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    There have been some.

    Gilbert Odd's book on Fitz is excellent.

    Keith Robinson's biography on Fitz is a massive book stacked with information but is heavy going to read.
     
  12. Seamus

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    I don't think Ingo won all those fights, icing Machen and Patterson, by accident. He was something of a one-trick pony but it was a hell of a trick and the rest of his game wasn't as bad as some try to make it out to be.
     
  13. Boilermaker

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    I thought it was accepted that Jeffries learned a lot from these sessions. In fact, i remember that it was hinted that Fitz dominated or at least held his own on the tour and while they were not real fights, they was not much if anything held back on most of the nights, from what i understand.

    Regarding biographies, it goes without saying that in the ring with Bob Fitzsimmons is as throughl researched a book as you will find, from what i understand.
     
  14. janitor

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    It seems inescapable that Fitzsimmons was crucial to developing Jeffries as a fighter.
     
  15. Rasch

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    I thought Jeffries and Fitz were just re-enacting their second fight, which this tour followed.

    But I haven't read Adam's book so maybe it gives deeper insight.