Jeffries got what he deserved ...

I am re-reading Jack Johnson , The Rise and it is interesting to see just how arrogant Jeffries was , how long Johnson deserved title contention and how badly he was ducked ... as early as 1903 as he dominated MacVey and Denver Ed Martin, Johnson at 24 was more than good enough to merit a title shot and would have if he were white .. I completely get that Jeffries was " a man of his time, ect " and all of that but what an arrogant SOB from the time he refused Johnson straight up until Reno ... the man really ended u getting his just rewards .. when you consider what Johnson and other black fighters had to put up with it truly is astonishing ...

 

Did Jeffries get what he deserved?

I am not certain that he did.

Although I do not defend his decision to draw the colour line, he set a new standard for frequency and quality of title defences, which was not matched until the days of Joe Louis.

A lot of people who had criticised him while he was champion for drawing the color line, had no desire to see him humiliated, while obviously well past his prime.

He was pushed into coming out of retirement, to take a fight that he did not really want, and when his fall came, it was complete!

 

No argument from me..

Even thou it was an insanely long time ago, the racial BS JJ encountered was disturbing to say the leastatsch

 

It's disturbing to everyone today but I guess it was pretty s****ard fare if you had lived during those times.

edit: why the hell has the word st andard been censored!??

**** you!

 

A lot of people don't know this but Bernard Hopkins was actually quoting Jeffries when he said "I would never lose to a white person." and Jeffries never did. Making him the greatest white heavyweight champion among other white heavyweights who ever lived, along with Marciano, who was both a white heavyweight champion and a coloured heavyweight champion, despite his handicap in regard to the latter and its own criteria.

 

Jeffries may have deserved what he got. He had an ego on him as champion thats for sure. But Jack Johnson was an ******* plain and simple and to chalk up everything he experienced simply to racism is to ignore that he was an antisocial ***** who wanted to live by his own set of rules, and then break those when it was convenient. I love the guy as a fighter and think hes a tough match for anyone but he was pretty ****ty human being and I get tired of him being propped up as some kind of icon in some sectors.

 

FINALLY someone says it. Thank you.

And Johnson drew the color line worse than Jeffries ever did.

 

Bull****, the Mann Act was past when Johnson was champion and from what I've read Johnson was the first to be charged under the Man Act, which amounts to a persecution.

There would have been no issue if a white man had done the same things Johnson had done.

No he didn't. Johnson was willing to take fights against black opponents for the right money but unfortunately the white crowds generally would pay more to see a less talented white fighter dethrone him.

After the Jeffries win the authorities ran him out of the country so he had greater worries than the HW Championship.

Around 1922 Johnson and Wills signed to make a fight that was blocked by the commission of the time. Why? Because of Johnson's crime of cavorting with white women.

 

I have been saying that for years about Johnson.

I've always said what a fighter says and does when a large purse is up can change. Jeffries mentioned Johnson as a possible opponent after he defeated Munroe, but the money dried in boxing.

Jeffries said he'd fight Hart after Hart defeated Johnson, but the public felt it would have been a mis-match.

If there was a Reno like purse for Jeffries to meet Johnson in 1905 who knows what he does. Even McVey who's perhaps the most pro Johnson poster here admits Jeffries in his prime beats Johnson in 1905.

While Jeffries lost the come back fight he didn't foul, or quit. He ignored his corner's plea to halt the match. He went out on his shield. The explanation he gave to the press was at least honest. He was too old to come back. The muscle memory and reflexes were gone. The stamina was gone and Corbett said his power was much greater years ago when they sparred.

 

False. Johnson was not the first to be charged.

Many whites were also nailed for the Man Act, including famous actor Charlie Chaplin. The act was passed in 1910, and Johnson was arrested two years later in 1912.

It is known that Johnson nightclub in Chicago was also a ***** house. By the letter of the law if women from other states were brought in to work in this club, he was guilty.

 

This is patently untrue. Idiots like Max Kellerman who mistake being loud for being correct have been saying this for years and its totally false. The first TWO people charged under the law were white and were a lot less guilty of breaking it than Johnson was. The law passed to crack down on *** trafficking and thats exactly what Johnson was doing. He took a prostitute across state lines for *** and owned a nightclub that doubled as a ***** house. The guy was guilty. Period. If you want to pardon him because he was unfairly persecuted then go pardon everyone persecuted under the prohibition act. Johnson didnt get run out of the country he fled the country undercover when his conviction in a court of law for a crime he absolutely committed became imminent. Charlie Chaplin was pursued for the Mann act, Luis Firpo was pursued for the Mann act, LOTS of people who werent black (and I would guess more who werent black than who were) were pursued under the Mann act. Johnson created a good half or more of his own problems outside of the ring. Its one thing to have a problem with African Americans being oppressed because of the color of their skin. Thats something I have a problem with as well. But I also have a problem with a minority of African Americans who dont want to follow the rules of a civilized society and then try to tie the fallout from that to racism. Thats bull****.

 

In the Ring With Jack Johnson Part II: The Rise will have a sizable section devoted to Johnson's Mann Act trial. I read the entire original trial transcript and will include substantial portions and summaries of the witness testimonies. Plus I will have information about the appeal,etc. Stay tuned. Book should be released in the first half of 2015.

 

Can't wait!:good

 

I don't defend either Jeffries or Johnson for failing to meet their best title challengers, they should have met them.

At the same time I do not need to see them humiliated for it.