Jeffries hurt Johnson in rd 11.

Unforgivable Blackness is NOT a primary source.

However ,since you wish to use it ,
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"The older man landed a right to the body that could be heard all over the stadium,and a left that opened the cut in Johnson's mouth the Kid Cotton had given him in training" Unforgivable Blackness, page 208.

"But back on his stool between rounds ,the champion leaned down to assure John L Sullivan that Jeffries couldn't hit hard enough to hurt him"page 209

"Johnson was in charge through rounds5,6,7,and 8.He bloodied Jeffries mouth, reopened an old cut on his right cheek,closed his right eye.
At one point he encircled Jeffries with his arms and walked him towards Corbett's side of the ring asking,"where do you want me to put him Mr Corbett"? page 209

"As the two men fought on the west side of the ring,Johnson overheard W W Naughton dictating to his telegrapher" Jeffries took a left hook to the jaw" "Is that all he took Mr Naughton ?" "Johnson asked and landed two more"page 209

"Between the seventh and eighth rounds Corbett pulled Jack Jeffries aside "Jack he said ,your brothers getting whipped.What are we going to do?" The younger Jeffries had tears in his eyes,they couldn't let him lose to Johnson he said,and suggested that Corbett try to talk his brother into deliberatedly losing on a foul . Neither had the heart to suggest it" page 209.

"By the eleventh round Jeffries wind was going fast",Johnson recalled,"his arms were getting weak,and he couldn't put them up to stop my blows".page 210.

"In the twelfth Johnson parried Jeffries rushes so ably ,battering his bloody face with hard lefts , that some in the crowd at last began to cheer him for his skill.

Corbett seemed almost apoplectic now,shrieking and waving his arms as he ran back and forth Johnson spoke to him over Jeffries shoulder"Thought you said you were going to make ME wild"
ps There is no e in Daily.

Please show primary sourced references to Jeffries cutting Johnson as you so state.


[url]http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85066387/1910-07-06/ed-1/seq-9/;words=VICTOR+GOING+AFTER+SPOIL+VANQUISHED+BACK+SOIL[/url]

[url]http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F60814FC355D16738DDDAC0894DF405B808DF1D3[/url]


[url]http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=JCwbAAAAIBAJ&sjid=2EgEAAAAIBAJ&pg=736,774272[/url]


[url]http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=SCE0ypLQHGcC&dat=19290501&printsec=frontpage&hl=enpage15[/url]

Below is a round by round summary in the 11th round there is no mention of Johnson being hurt or wobbled, in fact he won the round.


[url]http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85058398/1910-07-04/ed-1/seq-[/url]


1/;words=JOHNSON+WINS


Below is the NY Tribune's account, no mention of Johnson being hurt or wobbled, in fact they state Johnson won it clearly.

[url]http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1910-07-05/ed-1/seq-8/;words=SHE+MEETS+MASTER[/url]

That's two primary sourced, ringside accounts ,giving round by round reports, provided by ME ,and NONE provided by YOU Score so far ,2 -0 to ME. I'm waiting.


Found another The NY Times round by round summary,the 11th rd N Y Times says Johnson won everything in that round and wobbled Jeffries!
Below.

[url]http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F40914FC355D16738DDDAC0894DF405B808DF1D3[/url]
Score now 3_0 to ME.

Another paper below,The SanFranciso Call, makes no mention of Jeffries hurting or wobbling Johnson.

[url]http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85066387/1910-07-05/ed-1/seq-17/;words=Lack+Skill+Boxing+Helped+Johnson+Win[/url]


BELOW THE TIMES DISPATCH PROVIDES

ANOTHER ROUND BY ROUND THAT DOES NOT MENTION JOHNSON HURT OR WOBBLED IN THE 11TH ROUND.

[url]http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85038615/1910-07-05/ed-1/seq-5/;words=HIS+CDURAGE+WHITE[/url]


SCORE NOW 5-0 TO ME.





STILL NO RESPONSE FROM MENDACITY.:think

 

In W.W. Naughton,s account in the Washington Post.
He states Johnson was the master in the clinches.

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Round by rounds from the Chicago Daily Tribune.
July4th 1910

Rd 11.

"They walked up carefully,Jeff finally trying his left but found it blocked.

He took a left on the face three times but smiled and talked to Jack in the clinches.

They break away and Johnson sends a stiff left uppercut to the face ,and a right to the body.

He kept Jeffries bobbing his head to escape the right uppercut whenever they came together.


In a clinch,Jack sends three uppercuts to the face in quick succession and Jeffries appears tired.


They showed about,Jeffries with his head on Jack's shoulder ,and,when they finally broke Jack hooked his left hard to the nose.


The blood flowed from Jeffries lips and nose,he appeared slow compared to Jack's snappy blows.

Jeffries is getting a good bombarding and is apparently unsteady on his legs.

Johnson swings with a left and Jeffries blocks.Jeffries lands a left on Johnson's face Jeffries again rushes like a cyclone but is tired at the finish.


Just before the call of time Jeffries rushed in and sent a left and right to the body, but Jack was getting away and was not hurt.
Definitely Johnson's round"

Score now 6-0 to me.

Come on Mendacity try and make a contest of it.

"Do something man this is for the championship" :rofl

 

Just to add John L Sullivan's take on the fight.


It was a poor fight as fights go, this less than fifteen-round affair between James J. Jeffries and Jack Johnson. Scarcely ever has there been a championship contest that was so one-sided.
All of Jeffries's much-vaunted condition and the prodigious preparations that he went through availed him nothing. he wasn't in it from the first bell tap to last, and as he fell bleeding, bruised weakened in the twenty-seventh second of the third minute of the fifteenth round no sorrier sight has ever gone to make pugilistic history."

:happy:happy:happy


While Jeffries was not actually counted out, he was saved from this crowning shame only by his friends pleading with Johnson not to hit the fallen man again, and the towel was brought into the ring from his corner. At the end of the fifteenth round, Tex Rickard raised the Black arm, and the great crowd filed out, glum and silent.
Jim Corbett, who stood in Jeffries' corner all during this fight, telling Johnson what a fool he was and how he was in for the beating of his life, now ran forward with outstretch arms, crying: "Oh, don't, Jack; don't hit him

 

You produced a quote from a quote that is NOT A PRIMARY SOURCE.atsch

I PRODUCED 6 PRIMARY SOURCES THAT CONTRADICT YOU.

JEFFRIES DID NOT CUT JOHNSON.
JEFFRIES DID NOT HURT, OR WOBBLE JOHNSON.

END OF LIES

I never scored the fight.:huh
How could I no -one alive has seen it in its entirety?

I produced papers that said Jeffries only round was the 4th.


I produced statements from Tex Rickard and Bob Fitzsimmons that

Johnson could have won any time he wanted.
I produced a statement form John L Suulivan, stating Jeffries was never in the fight.

THESE THREE MEN WERE BIG JEFFRIES FANS WHO ALL PICKED JEFFRIES TO WIN BEFORE THE FIGHT.

You produced JACK ****
Another ko win for me, over my resident punching bag Mendozy .

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

I hate to stick my head into this latest set to, but didnt McVey just post the Chicago Daily Report above, and when i clicked on it it didnt seem to say what they said it said in the book you quoted.

Or do i need to reread it later when i have a bit more time to concentrate more?

 

All are welcome in a public forum, particularly you B .

I should like the forum to decide who has provided primary sources supporting his argument, and who is lying though his teeth.

I have posted the Chicago Tribune's round by round account of the fight written by Hugh E Keough, which is the VERY SAME article that Mendoza referred to as can be seen there, is NO MENTION OF JOHNSON BEING HURT OR WOBBLED

Link Below.AGAIN!

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For those having difficulty reading the print ,I have included a verbatim account in two posts yesterday.


MENDOZA EXPOSED AS A LYING BIGOT YET AGAIN!!!

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"I shoulda stuck to fighting ,old, retired middleweights".

 

Great research gents :good


Pity these two never duked it out in a prime for prime scenario. My money would still have been on the Galveston Giant,though.

 

Would have been a great fight imo.:good

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Mendoza.
In response to your thread,I've posted 6 primary sources that state Jeffries not only did not wobble or hurt Johnson in the 11th round of their fight, but that he was on wobbly legs himself ,and clearly lost the round.


I have proved conclusively that the link you posted, purporting to be a primary source is total bull**** , I did this by posting Hugh E Keough's real round by round as printed, not only in the very same Chicago Daily Tribune , but by the identical writer!

I've further proved, by the same primary sources that Jeffries did not cut Johnson , but that in fact during the 4th rd ,Jeffries merely re-opened a cut that George Kid Cotton had caused in sparring with Johnson.


You have responded with absolutely nothing.

I will keep this thread alive until the weekend, just to humiliate you further.

Do you understand what the word NEMESIS means?


Well, I'm yours!

 

"Alright Jess, you won".

Jack Dempsey

 

I see you posted on this forum on Friday the 31st at 10.58am ,and 11.am.

Why did you not address this your own thread,admitting you were wrong?

A simple retraction saying,
"I was wrong ,I have found no primary sources to back up my earlier statements ," would suffice.

I'm not letting this go ,so you might as well face the music.


Hoist with your own petard,[ one that I handed to you,] you miserable ******.

From Mendoza's intial post on this, his own thread

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Anyone bet he will admit he is wrong?

I'll be back chump!:hi:

 

"Unforgivable Blackness" are apprently the liars here, apparently fabricating a Hugh E Keough quote. My guess trying to make the fight more dramatic than it really was for entertainment purposes.

From my view point, it looks like Mendoza just watched the documentary, read their website or whatever, not knowing they fabricated the quote. It happens. We've all came across and believed bad information at some point until further research enlightens.

Mendoza obviously didn't pull this out of his ass to slander Johnson, he gave us a link, we know where he read it. You wouldn't know the site was lying about the Chicago source unless you actually dug it up.

 

M ,I would believe this of any other poster but Mendoza is a barefaced liar.
He still repeats bull**** that Johnson was lucky to get a draw against Battling Jim Johnson becuase the scheduled distance was shortened from 20 to 10 rds to protect his crown.
This in spite of the fact that several posters have produced primary sourced newpapers stating clearly it was a 10rds contest. These include.
Clay Moyle, Senya,etc and another, produced the Boxing News account that shows it was a ten rounder.

Mendoza also repeats lies such as the following. That Sam Langford knocked Johnson down in their fight despite primary sourced evidence to the contrary that has been provided here multiple times.
Add other fairy tales such as Tommy Burns had jaundice when he was in the ring with Johnson.

Burns stated he was in excellent shape for the fight , but that he had badly underestimated Johnson who was just too big for him . Burns was giving public sparring exhibitions with Al Kaufman daily, and I've seen them.

That Joe Jeannette scaled 167lbs when he last fought Johnson.

Less than 4 months later he scaled 185lbs for fight with Sam McVey, and 8 months earlier he had weighed 185lbs against Johnson himself.


That Johnson was kod in an exhibition by Gunboat Smith, he was put through the ropes in a sparring match according to a taped interview Smith gave to Peter Heller in 1972. for his book" In This Corner.."


No sorry, no benefit of the doubt should be accorded Mendoza, he has a pathological hatred of Jack Johnson ,and this has warped his opinion to the extent that he will readily repeat stories he knows to be lies.

He has NEVER admitted he was wrong and he won't here ,the man is a turd.