Jeffries hurt Johnson in rd 11.

There is no benefit of the doubt. The website says Jeffries hurt Johnson with a body shot in Round 11 and lists Chicago Tribune as a source.

Clearly, "Unforgivable Blackness" is full of ****.

 

Mendoza made the statements BEFORE he posted the link
The link is from the filmed documentary NOT the BOOK.The book make no mention of Johnson being hurt or wobbled in the 11 th round


I posted the CHICAGO DAILY TRIBUNE'S account written by Hugh Keough,it is round by round and has NO MENTION of Jeffries hurting or wobbling Johnson in the 11 th round.

Here it is.
Rd 11.

"They walked up carefully,Jeff finally trying his left but found it blocked.

He took a left on the face three times but smiled and talked to Jack in the clinches.

They break away and Johnson sends a stiff left uppercut to the face ,and a right to the body.

He kept Jeffries bobbing his head to escape the right uppercut whenever they came together.


In a clinch,Jack sends three uppercuts to the face in quick succession and Jeffries appears tired.


They showed about,Jeffries with his head on Jack's shoulder ,and,when they finally broke Jack hooked his left hard to the nose.


The blood flowed from Jeffries lips and nose,he appeared slow compared to Jack's snappy blows.

Jeffries is getting a good bombarding and is apparently unsteady on his legs.

Johnson swings with a left and Jeffries blocks.Jeffries lands a left on Johnson's face Jeffries again rushes like a cyclone but is tired at the finish.




Just before the call of time Jeffries rushed in and sent a left and right to the body, but Jack was getting away and was not hurt.
Definitely Johnson's round

MEMDOZA HAS POSTED NOTHING TO SUPPORT HIS STATEMENTS
NEITHER HAS HE HAD THE BALLS TO COME ON HERE AND ADMIT HE WAS WRONG

You are correct, there is no benefit of the doubt at all.
Just a man who made two statements he knew to be untrue,and when challenged to back them up with primary sourced information ,failed to do so

 

The point is not Jeffries condition or lack of it,it is that a man told two lies and when challenged to back them up with primary sources ,not only failed to do so he did not retract them when he was exposed.

 

The problem with this is that Johnson beat numerous" rangy build types"
Moran
Ferguson
Kaufman
Felix
Lang
Martin
Russell

To name just a few .

He also was in front after 20rds against Jess Willard who, at 6' 6 1/4" was 6" taller than Johnson
The referee Jack Welch said had the contest been over 20rds ,he would have unhesitatingly raised Johnson's hand.


You base your opinion on three fights Johnson had with Griffin ,one of which Griffin won , that was in 1901 .
Do you usually judge a man's abilities on fights he had when he was clearly pre-prime?

Johnson was put through the ropes in a sparring session with Gun Boat Smith, does this then indicate he was vulnerable to rangy fighters?

Rocky Marciano was dropped by Toxie Hall who at 5' 11" was only a half inch taller than Marciano does this mean he was vulnerable to short stocky fighters?
Mike Tyson was dropped by 6'3" Greg Page what does this indicate? Vitali Klitchko was dropped by 6'3" Raphael Butler which means what?

No ,your premise does not stand up to close scrutiny imo.

 

Round to Tuesday evening now, and no response from Mendoza . Not surprising really , what a total wanker.

 

sigh...I don't think he knew them to be untrue. He just trusted the information that the "Unforgivable Blackness" website presented and recycled it whenever you two argued on the subject.

Would be interested in seeing where they are pulling the quote from. Quite irresponsible on their part to come to that conclusion with only one quote..nobody can seem to find the direct source of. They cite Chicago Tribune but that is clearly not the case.

 

If you are correct, why did he not then produce another source?

I found 6 primary sources to support my argument in a couple of hours.
The problem is he made the statement before he looked for proof to support it, having found none he used a quote from a quote. The so called source could not even spell wobbled correctly,[ wabbled]

Mendoza then dissapeared from his own thread ,though he posted on others after.

THe man is incapable of admitting he is wrong
It was his thread after all, if you made two statements that were proved to be false, would you not feel obliged to acknowledge the fact ?

We can all be wrong, I've been several times on this forum,and had to man up, it doesn't kill you does it?

Mendoza does this all the time, this is not one isolated case ,I gave you 6 examples of him falsifying statements.
I don't wish to offend you , but if you want to accept he made the statement in good faith that is your prerogative , but I'm dry behind the ears. He has history and it is not edifying history.