Jeffries on of the most misunderstood ..

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    To be fair to you many contemporary observers did describe Sharkey as crude, though some qualified it by saying that he refined his technique later in his career.

    At the end of the day he was a swarmer, a style of fighter that relies on a comparativley narrow range of skills. He does seem to have been verry effective against technical boxers due to his pressure. It is worth noting that he took a lot more rounds against Corbett than Fitzsimmons or Jeffries.
     
  2. bodhi

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    :lol:

    Call it what you want. When you call the era before "modern" the era post it is "post-modern". Quite logic to me.
     
  3. Mendoza

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    Morrison had a ton of flaws. Chin was only one of them. He also had questionable stamina, and average defense.
     
  4. Mendoza

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    The further back you go, the more research you need to do to understand the fighters.

    Sharkey was a bit like Marciano in style, except I tend to think he had more speed. Sharkey style of relentless attack was too much for quick boxers like Choynski, Corbett, and McCoy.

    If Sharkey was a plodder, he doesn't catch up to these guys.
     
  5. Pachilles

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    he grant, i havent read the newspaper reports that were written in a time where sensationalism was even worse than it is today. But i have seen Patterson fight and i have seen the limited fight footage on Jeffries and Fitz. And based on that i have a hunch that Floyd Patterson would KO Jeffries, Fitz, Corbett and Sharkey one after the other in the same night
     
  6. janitor

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    If Sony Liston had fought in that era and was represented by film of similar quality you would probably be predicting that Floyd Patterson would KO him easily.
     
  7. Seamus

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    If by unrelenting attach you mean hitting after the bell, headbutting, elbowing, throwing out of the ring... well, then maybe you have a point.
     
  8. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Sharkey was very much in a Marciano cut ... a bit more speed an a bit lighter on one punch power but very similar ... he had exceptional stamina and was relentless ...
     
  9. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Look first of all everyone is entitled to their opinion . If you think Floyd is all that so be it ... if you are using him to gage an age then all I can say is that there is far more to these guys than terrible footage ... the distance, the blurriness, the frames per second are all so off it is not a fair barometer to stufy these men ... if you look at Johnson v.s. Burns and then even see a 68 year old Johnson v.s. Jeannette 36 years later with far better film equipment you can see the difference .. depending on the rules, the ring size and the ref I have doubts that Floyd even beats any of these guys ...
     
  10. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    The book is not cheap for sure however it truly is an archive treasure ... there is much newspaper coverage of Sharkey referring to his speed as excellent, saying flat out he is the fastest fighter in the sport at the time ...
     
  11. janitor

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    The quality of the original Jeffries Sharkey footage, is thought to have been much better than the film that survives today, which is based on a single badly decayed copy.
     
  12. bodhi

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-whJCy5J6qg&feature=player_embedded[/ame]
     
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  14. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was just teasing. I'm sorry if you took it seriously. I have just never heard the term "post-modern" used regarding boxing, only in longhair books.



    **Just my own take about the term "post-modern"--I don't think there can be such a thing because then what you are calling "modern" is no longer modern or there wouldn't be anything coming after it. But what do I know? I have certainly seen it used for Art, Music, Painting, etc, etc.
     
  15. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What are longhair books?

    I took it half-serious. But good to hear I´m a pioneer like Kolumbus :lol:

    Well, you are right here. That´s why I used it. I know it from Music and just transferred it.