Jeffries: 'Tough' tough, or Hvywt fighting Little guys?

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  1. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Langford was in Jeff's camp prior to the Johnson fight, if I recall correctly, and indeed there was a claim published that Sam actually trashed Jeffries in a private spar days before the big fight.
     
  2. guilalah

    guilalah Well-Known Member Full Member

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    While I'm willing to consider most of the arguments being put forth, this one seems difficult to credit. People want to see good fights. Saying 'We won't meet Jeffries' isn't going to make people say 'Hey, how about matching Langford and Jeffries? Sam really doesn't want to fight him -- that's just what we want to see!.'
     
  3. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In fairness to Powerpuncher, that is not far off the way it works today.

    Get a big name win, but leave a reason why your next opponent thinks you are are "Low Risk, High reward" opponent. But i dont really think it worked that way back then.
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    During his championship reign Jeffries often stated he would not fight a negro for his title,because, , he was unwilling to take a chance on losing his title to a black man.
    Any one think Jeffries would revise his stance on this if that challenger was Langford?
     
  5. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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  6. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I do, but what do i know, i think he would have fought Johnson if Johnson had beaten Hart comfortably.
     
  7. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't ! I dont beleive Jeffries was ever physically afraid of an opponent though Brady stated, before meeting Fitz he lacked confidence and self belief.
    I think Jeffries was deathly afraid of losing his championship,his whole persona revolved around it."The Champion Of The World,"" THe Strongest Man In The World".
    Even in his comeback he was referred to by the promoters as the "Champion",and came to the ring at a dead run ,climbing into the ring and thrusting his chest out like some fabled Norse God.
    Being Champ was his "raison d'etre".
    Losing to a black man was unthinkable, his stock with the public plummeted after his loss to Johnson ,when he was just the challenger, to take a chance on losing his crown to him was never on his agenda.
     
  8. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    I keep hearing this aura of invincability, so invincible he runs into retirement saying he was scared of losing the title to a black man :lol: So invisable he was getting outboxed by an old Corbett who was coming off losses and hadnt won a fight in years and had to wait for a 36yo 168lber to fade. Against Corbett Jeffries was said to look like an amateur. Hardly sounds like a devastating unbeatable fighter to me, sounds more like a smaller JEss Willard

    1 possibility also hasn't been considered. That the press of the time made the comment up to further hype up the 'Great White Hope' of the time, don't believe everything you read in the papers
     
  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Jeffries never impressed me much. He was an athletic phenom for his time but was bullied by middleweights, going life and death with fighters who would have had no place in the heavyweight ranks a few decades later.
     
  10. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Which middleweights were these that bullied him? You mean light heavyweights, or smaller heavyweights/cruiserweights dont you?
     
  11. Mendoza

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    I think it the money was high enough, Jeffries would have fought anyone.

    As champion Jeffries did thrash Hank Griffin in a 4 rd match, though it was not a championship match..
     
  12. mcvey

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    I think the emergence of Johnson was a prime reason for Jeffries retirement,not that he physically feared Johnson ,but that he would not take the chance of losing to a black man,at any price ,he often castigated Burns for putting gold before his" white principals".
     
  13. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    When Hart defeated Johnson, Jeffries could have fought anyone out there. He said he'd fight Hart but the interest in the fight wasn't there. I'm sure if Hart was black, you say Jeffries ducked him too. Jeffries retired after Johnson lost. So no Johnson was not the reason for Jeffries retiring.
     
  14. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Its hard to say the better men of his era were the smaller guys. Jeffries did not have a lot of fights but in his prime was able to beat everyone. tHERE WERE big guys back then but they were just not good enough to get past the smaller men. Jeffries for whatever it is worth beat the best men of his era. Rate the era where you want but you must rate Jeffies high in it.
     
  15. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Langford stated that he was willing to meet any man in the ring, except for Jeffries.